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Old 11-01-2009, 03:27 PM    (permalink
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As of right now including previous body of work
1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Drew Brees
4. Brett Favre
5. Kurt Warner

based on only this season
1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Aaron Rodgers
4. Matt Schaub
5. Kyle Orton/Brett Favre
Favre, number 4?
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It's fitting at least :)
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1. Peyton Manning
2. Drew Brees
3. Tom Brady
4. Carson Palmer
5. Ben Roethlisberger

Would be my short list of 5 with Phillip Rivers, Donovan McNabb, Matt Schaub, Brett Favre, and Aaron Rodgers rounding out the Top 10 in no particular order.
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Meh, you can keep Orton. Not impressed.

He's a game-manager on a team that's balling out on D.
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Orton padded his numbers when the game was out of reach yesterday. when the game was up for grabs the guy did nothing of significance.
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Orton padded his numbers when the game was out of reach yesterday. when the game was up for grabs the guy did nothing of significance.
I'd hardly call 152 yards and no TD's on 37 attempts to be padding stats. Still while I agree Orton is a game manager the Broncos game plan yesterday was a flat out joke. Everyone knows the Ravens have horrific deep ball defense and the fact that with Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall you don't take any chances is beyond me. They just kept running Marshall and Royal on underneath routes and any time the Ravens defense is in front of you they are the best in the league at swarming on the ball carrier. Everyone knows when the Ravens have struggled it has been when Favre, Palmer, Brady, go deep so seeing the Broncos continue to allow the Ravens to eat them up on underneath routes was so funny. The Broncos offense looked like the Redskins yesterday, lol.
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Favre would have to be far ahead of brees.
i meant, ''best quarterbacks playing this season, while showing love to the old timers for what they have done in the past."
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I'd hardly call 152 yards and no TD's on 37 attempts to be padding stats. Still while I agree Orton is a game manager the Broncos game plan yesterday was a flat out joke. Everyone knows the Ravens have horrific deep ball defense and the fact that with Eddie Royal and Brandon Marshall you don't take any chances is beyond me. They just kept running Marshall and Royal on underneath routes and any time the Ravens defense is in front of you they are the best in the league at swarming on the ball carrier. Everyone knows when the Ravens have struggled it has been when Favre, Palmer, Brady, go deep so seeing the Broncos continue to allow the Ravens to eat them up on underneath routes was so funny. The Broncos offense looked like the Redskins yesterday, lol.
i just dont think orton has the ball placement to go deep like those other guys do bro (brady and palmer specifically).
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Well when you have 6-4" man beast Brandon Marshall against the weak midgets like Foxworth and Fabian Washington all you need to do is hang it up there and chances are he gets the ball. The fact that they didn't even attempt to go deep was horrible coaching and playcalling. They went deep once they entire game literally and Brandon Marshall ended up gaining 40+ yards on a pass interference call. This should have been a clue to them to take some chances especially when they were down multiple TD's. But continuing to run the ball and set up screens and such was terrible coaching. You don't run screens and go underneath on the Ravens D, you will get eaten alive. The reason the Ravens D hasn't been as good this year is only because of their inability to defend the deep ball.
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Well when you have 6-4" man beast Brandon Marshall against the weak midgets like Foxworth and Fabian Washington all you need to do is hang it up there and chances are he gets the ball. The fact that they didn't even attempt to go deep was horrible coaching and playcalling. They went deep once they entire game literally and Brandon Marshall ended up gaining 40+ yards on a pass interference call. This should have been a clue to them to take some chances especially when they were down multiple TD's. But continuing to run the ball and set up screens and such was terrible coaching. You don't run screens and go underneath on the Ravens D, you will get eaten alive. The reason the Ravens D hasn't been as good this year is only because of their inability to defend the deep ball.
Kyle Orton cannot get the ball within 10 yards when its past 20-25 yards.
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this. by far the worst coaching job i've seen yet this season.
It's a bit difficult to stretch the field when the Quarterback is not accurate in that area. Orton is a very efficient QB 1-10 yards, in fact he's very good at distributing it. His deep ball however leaves a lot to be desired.

If teams are able to consistently stop the short passes, Orton will struggle because he's never been capable of getting the ball down field. That said, it's just one game and so far he's meshed very well with the new offense. So this game may have been just a bump in the road.
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I don't think there is a definitive top-5. I have the first four locked in place and they have been the same for the last few years, but the fifth spot could be between Romo, Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Palmer, etc. All have an equal claim at that spot.
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What qualifications should a Top 5 QB have?
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I think consistent excellence is required. That's what a lot of Quarterbacks do not have, such as the ones I mentioned in my above post. If Tony Romo, Ben Roethlisberger or Eli Manning could play their best the majority of the time they would be there.
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irrelevant, and, as we were on at the same time as the bears, i'm assuming you didn't watch the game. the entire plan, afaict, was to repeatedly attempt slight variations of the exact same screen pass, get into a third and long, and then throw another screen pass. there were relatively few routes run at even a 15 yard level. and let's not act like the suggestion was made that orton throw 40 yard bombs all day. but to throw a deep ball literally once all game, in a game where the opposing defense is literally shredding you short? terrible coaching.
That's my point though. I've seen 3 of Denver's games this year and in everyone, he's struggled getting the ball down field. Even in the 15 yard in area.

You are correct, I did not watch yesterday because the Bears game was on. Denver seemed to have success this year spreading the field and allowing Orton to pick and choose who he wanted to throw to. Maybe the game plan was flawed, I have no idea because I didn't watch the game but you do have a limited QB behind center that is not very successful at stretching a defense. Orton's been awesome 1-10 this year, anything past that not so much.

I do agree that they needed to at least attempt to get the ball down field though. If the short stuff isn't working, adjust the playcalling. Did Ron Turner hijack your OC duties yesterday?
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Everyone knows Brady/Manning/Rivers/Brees are top 4 in what ever order you want to put them but Joe Flacco is starting to make a run at being one of the top QB's
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Everyone knows Brady/Manning/Rivers/Brees are top 4 in what ever order you want to put them but Joe Flacco is starting to make a run at being one of the top QB's
Uhhh lets not assume that after a season and a half. Is he playing well, sure, much better than last year, many many Qbs are ahead of him as of right now imo. Players that have played this well consistently for longer than a season and a half, where the first season wasnt all that jaw dropping.
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Everyone knows Brady/Manning/Rivers/Brees are top 4 in what ever order you want to put them but Joe Flacco is starting to make a run at being one of the top QB's
I agree. Flacco is in that discussion with Ryan and Roethlisberger (from a pure QB perspecive), Romo, Eli, Schaub, Palmer, and McNabb.
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