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Old 11-02-2009, 08:10 PM    (permalink
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I don't care who they play. When they are on there isn't a defensive backfield that can match-up with them.
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I wouldn't say Tom Brady has been a slouch this year, but he hasn't been godly like he was in that one year where he was a statistically prominent offensive forece. He has played Nortwester Missouri Texarkana St Univesity CC and Holy Name Christ Devil Child Forums Day School the last two games. Throwing 9 TDs against those two teams, even if they are supposed to be NFL teams is not jaw droppingly amazing. He has been ok against defenses worth a damn.
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Look at his numbers if you want as well. He's thrown for HALF the yards Brady has. Yet he's somehow better than Brady? That argument is just not possible to make.

How is Orton even in this conversation? It's the same story as when he was with the Bears. He can keep you in a game by hitting short passes and not turning the ball over. He's Trent Dilfer. I can't fathom how people are trying to argue he's been better than Brady.
what? brady is way better than mcnabb. heck, i was diminishing mcnabbs season.
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does anyone else think that in terms of a pure passer Brees is better than Brady?
theres no doubt about it. brees is a better pure passer. brady is a better decision maker, secondary manipulator, and he feels the pressure from everywhere.
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Old 11-03-2009, 05:59 AM    (permalink
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theres no doubt about it. brees is a better pure passer. brady is a better decision maker, secondary manipulator, and he feels the pressure from everywhere.
Definitely not. Tom Brady's pocket presence is one of the most overrated things in the NFL today.
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missing a wide open wes welker in the denver game for the winning td is playing like he used to? huh. could've fooled me. he IS underthrowing moss on nearly every pass, but then, he'd been underthrowing him by more than normal up until the titans game.
welker already went on record saying that he pushed it upfield when he was supposed to sit down. it was an anticapatory throw and welker anticipate wrong. thats how it looks when qb and receiver are not on the same page.
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Old 11-03-2009, 08:29 AM    (permalink
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What are thoughts on the 2nd year QB battle between Ryan and Flacco.

Ryan CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT
2009 139 233 1649 59.7 7.08 12 9 9 82.4

Flacco CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT
165 250 1849 66.0 7.40 12 5 12 95.6


Flacco is also playing with less weapons. Both teams are 4-3 while flacco plays in the tougher AFC north.
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What are thoughts on the 2nd year QB battle between Ryan and Flacco.

Ryan CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT
2009 139 233 1649 59.7 7.08 12 9 9 82.4

Flacco CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT
165 250 1849 66.0 7.40 12 5 12 95.6


Flacco is also playing with less weapons. Both teams are 4-3 while flacco plays in the tougher AFC north.
Flacco has less weapons? psssh Child Please, he's only got the best weapon in the league.
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Definitely not. Tom Brady's pocket presence is one of the most overrated things in the NFL today.
Maybe this year its not the best but I watch almost every Pats game, and Brady surely has one of the best pocket awareness in the league. He does feel pressure, you see it all the time, he steps up with a guy coming from his blind side, Idk where your getting that its overrated or where your argument really is.
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What are thoughts on the 2nd year QB battle between Ryan and Flacco.

Ryan CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT
2009 139 233 1649 59.7 7.08 12 9 9 82.4

Flacco CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA TD INT SACK RAT
165 250 1849 66.0 7.40 12 5 12 95.6


Flacco is also playing with less weapons. Both teams are 4-3 while flacco plays in the tougher AFC north.
coming into the league, Ryan's always had the better offense and run game, but Flacco has had the defense. Both quarterbacks took their teams to the playoffs but Flacco went farther.

However this year, Flacco's more in-tune with his offense and they are #1 in the AFC in scoring (maybe 2nd) and he's doing all this with a lot less weapons than Matt Ryan has. Even his defense has fallen off.

Ryan however, has a hall of fame TE, a Pro Bowl caliber WR, an All-Pro running back yet he doesn't look as good as Flacco does.

All homerism aside, I feel like Flacco had a better off season and has better chemistry with his WR's. This should be a great little QB comparison for years to come.
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Both are legit QBs, I give Flacco the edge when it comes to the Oline he has. but Ryans TE/WRs are a lot better then Flaccos TE/WRs. Flacco does have a better option out of the backfield in Ray Rice.
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It's too hard to pick between them but solely based on this year I have to go with Flacco. You just have to wonder how great Flacco would be if he had a monster deep threat like Roddy white. Flacco has one of the prettiest deep balls in the league but it's a shame he has no one to throw it to. It's sad when the 35 year old 5-10" Derrick Mason who is known as one of the best possession receivers this decade is now regarded as your top deep ball threat and red zone target. I'll give Flacco the edge in terms of O-line but Ryan definitely has superior weapons. I still like Ryan's mobility and throwing on the run more than Flacco, but Flacco IMO has superior arm strength and now is right on par with Ryan in terms of accuracy and decision making. I see much higher upside in Flacco TBH. The strides he has taken from year 1 to year 2 are incredible.
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people need to realise how good the ravens OLine is though. Flacco hasnt had to run for his life like ryan did yesterday(against a decent but not great saints pass rush) his whole career
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people need to realise how good the ravens OLine is though. Flacco hasnt had to run for his life like ryan did yesterday(against a decent but not great saints pass rush) his whole career
he was getting hit from all over vs. Minnesota, (mostly because Jared Gaither was out) but he still threw for 385. He's so calm under pressure and his poise is unlike any other QB I've seen.
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Let's leave the Ryan/Flacco thing alone until after they both have had three years starting. I know my plead won't work and we will be doomed to year after year of debate. Just ask Steelers/Chargers/Giants fans if their sick of it.
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Let's leave the Ryan/Flacco thing alone until after they both have had three years starting. I know my plead won't work and we will be doomed to year after year of debate. Just ask Steelers/Chargers/Giants fans if their sick of it.
As a Bengal's fan, Palmer doesn't have any other QB's in his draft lol. Leftwhich, Grossman and Boller are all back ups now. But even so, Flacco and Ryan comparisons will come up every year till one is clearly the "better" QB (which may be never). I guess try to find a way to enjoy it lol!
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1. P.Manning
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5. A.Rodgers

I think Roethlisberger is way overrated, he throws too many ints and his 2 rings are because of the steelers running game not him
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I think Roethlisberger is way overrated, he throws too many ints and his 2 rings are because of the steelers running game not him
the first ring his team won in spite of him. but last year, cmon man. the steelers offense went down the field and scored.
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