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Old 11-09-2009, 08:35 PM    (permalink
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Did anyone go out and see it? I came away totally blown away. He's a much different person than the criminal that the American media built him up to be. Thought it was an inspiring movie and I've come to respect him a lot. He was a gift to the world. I've come to believe that he had to go out the way he did in order to have the impact on the world, that his life's purpose had intended for him to fulfill.
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I'm going to see it because I have heard it is really good. As far as MJ, I don't think he was a bad guy. I felt sorry for him after that time they followed him around Neverland.
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He definitely was a great person but the media did their voodoo magic and made his an easy target. I want to see this.
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He definitely was a great person but the media did their voodoo magic and made his an easy target. I want to see this.
Keep it in perspective that there are two sides to every story. Im sure that the people who made "This Is It" didn't come in with the idea to make him out to look like a criminal. I understand that the media has an influence in what we do, but a piece of work like "This Is It" is simply another form of media that paints a different picture.

I haven't seen the movie, but the picture that it paints is undoubtedly one that is in stark opposition to the one the media portrayed for Jackson. Im sure this thread isnt a proper place to discuss the subjectivity of media, but I think its important to keep a bit of cynicism in regards to something like this.
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This "documentary" was made with the intent to be a positive portrayal of MJ in the lead up to the tour he was to do, prior to his death. Does it really need its own thread?
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I loved it. I saw about a week and a half ago and was blown away by everything he did, was certainly worth the $6 I paid to see it.
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I'm going to see it because I have heard it is really good. As far as MJ, I don't think he was a bad guy. I felt sorry for him after that time they followed him around Neverland.
Seen it the first day it came out, it was really good, it was to sad that MJ, never was able to do the concert live, it would have been mind blowing
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Keep it in perspective that there are two sides to every story. Im sure that the people who made "This Is It" didn't come in with the idea to make him out to look like a criminal. I understand that the media has an influence in what we do, but a piece of work like "This Is It" is simply another form of media that paints a different picture.

I haven't seen the movie, but the picture that it paints is undoubtedly one that is in stark opposition to the one the media portrayed for Jackson. Im sure this thread isnt a proper place to discuss the subjectivity of media, but I think its important to keep a bit of cynicism in regards to something like this.
Most of it was raw. It was real life MJ in action. There really was no "spin" on it. He's a pure genius. A master of the art. He was a gift to the world that most people misunderstood. If we were all like him, the world would be a better place. He had all the money in the world. He could've been corrupt as hell. Yet he chose a different life. A pure innocent life. I don't think he was a child molester at all. I think it was all a spin by the media or someone trying to get rich off of him.

He really tried to send a positive message to the world. Heal the World. Doesn't matter if it's black or white. We are the world. Man in the mirror. Earth Song. On and on and on... So different from the rest of the musical artists out there. He could've written about anything...


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Possibly greatest performer of all time? Yeah. Still, when he was alive he was the creepest guy out there who everyone spoofed. Now, he was the best father/brother/son/human every born on this Earth.

I am not passing judgement either way, but it's just hard to watch so many people pull a 180 on their views of him and accept it.

Apparently he liked to pee in front of people at random times now too?
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Possibly greatest performer of all time? Yeah. Still, when he was alive he was the creepest guy out there who everyone spoofed. Now, he was the best father/brother/son/human every born on this Earth.

I am not passing judgement either way, but it's just hard to watch so many people pull a 180 on their views of him and accept it.

Apparently he liked to pee in front of people at random times now too?

This. Michael Jackson was not a good person. Wow how quickly perceptions change.
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This. Michael Jackson was not a good person. Wow how quickly perceptions change.
It's funny how inspirational and amazing people become once they take a bite of the big **** sandwich.

I saw this doco, it's not as "raw" as portrayed and it's definitely extremely heavily slanted.
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I apologize in advance, but I refuse to have a love fest for how great he was. He was involved in many, many "wrong" doings. Okay the many were dropped or never proved... He was amazing, simply amazing. Voice, dancing, songs, the list is endless. But celebrity doesn't erase his past.

Steve McNair is a similar story. Sad, but still relevant to my perception to how I will remember him now.
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I apologize in advance, but I refuse to have a love fest for how great he was. He was involved in many, many "wrong" doings. Okay the many were dropped or never proved... He was amazing, simply amazing. Voice, dancing, songs, the list is endless. But celebrity doesn't erase his past.

Steve McNair is a similar story. Sad, but still relevant to my perception to how I will remember him now.
How do you know he did any "wrong" doing? If you did I would guess that you would have gone to the trial as a witness.
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OJ Simpson didn't have to be convicted for me to know he did it. Obviously it's not that extreme of a case but come on.
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How do you know he did any "wrong" doing? If you did I would guess that you would have gone to the trial as a witness.

If you read carefully you can see I said none of them were ever proved. Clearly I don't KNOW he did anything wrong. He wasn't viewed as a saint while he was alive, but now in death he was perfect...?

You can pass your own judgement based on his life, and I'll have mine. No worries.
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OJ Simpson didn't have to be convicted for me to know he did it. Obviously it's not that extreme of a case but come on.
Did you ever see the evidence or witnessed it happen? The US goes with something called "innocent until proven guilty." I wont go into politics though.
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If you read carefully you can see I said none of them were ever proved. Clearly I don't KNOW he did anything wrong. He wasn't viewed as a saint while he was alive, but now in death he was perfect...?

You can pass your own judgement based on his life, and I'll have mine. No worries.
The thing is his own... Americans hated him, disrespected him, looked down upon him as a freak... while the rest of the world adored him.

The dude was misunderstood. He used parts of his brain that most humans don't. Like seriously.
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If you read carefully you can see I said none of them were ever proved. Clearly I don't KNOW he did anything wrong. He wasn't viewed as a saint while he was alive, but now in death he was perfect...?

You can pass your own judgement based on his life, and I'll have mine. No worries.
I see what you are saying, but I have seen more posts hating on him and calling him a child abuser even when he is dead than I have seen people talking about how talented he was.
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Did you ever see the evidence or witnessed it happen? The US goes with something called "innocent until proven guilty." I wont go into politics though.

No, but I feel like I know enough about the situation to make my own decision as to how I feel about the guy.
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No, but I feel like I know enough about the situation to make my own decision as to how I feel about the guy.
I wasnt there when it all took place so I will side with the people that listened to the witnesses, saw the evidence, and debated forever on whether it was beyond a reasonable doubt to convict him.

Back to the movie so I dont get this locked for politics.....I havent seen it yet but I have been wanting to. I may go see it later this week.
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The fact is that a lot of celebrities get accused of crimes. Not a lot of them get convicted. I'm not just going to blindly take his not getting convicted as an undeniable fact.
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In my mind MJ was pretty messed up and if there was never any controversy surrounding him i'd still feel the same. Of course the movie isnt going to add anything bad when basically its a tribute to him.
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