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Old 11-10-2009, 02:36 PM    (permalink
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The thing about this is, he had a grand total of 37 receptions at Rutgers. Weird huh?
We had great WR's to throw to so Teel didn't like to throw to the RB's that often. We all knew Rice could catch very well out of the backfield though. Last year during the Steelers/Ravens playoff game the only big play a RB got was Rice gaining like 17 yards on a catch. You could tell then the Ravens would have a wepon like him to use in the upcoming years.
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The thing about this is, he had a grand total of 37 receptions at Rutgers. Weird huh?
Yeah, a big question mark on Rice going into the draft was how well he was going to catch the ball out of the backfield (which at his size, we naturally assumed he would have to do.) By the looks of it, if they'd have used him more as a receiver at Rutgers, Rice could have been a first round pick despite his size.
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Not to take over the thread but Rutgers didn't need to use him as a receiver out of the backfield. We had no use for it because our offense was above average and suited very well for what we were doing with Rice. As for him being a 1st rounder Scotty, the other RU fans around here and I all thought he should have been anyway. I think the size issue was going to go against him no matter what. In the coming years we'll see teams not underrate the smaller RB's like they have because of the likes of MJD, Johnson, Rice and so on.
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It's good to see most people are not bumping CJ over Peterson based on a half a season. I lol at people saying he's even having a down year, he's on pace for 1500 yards and 18 TD's. If that's a down year we're talking about one of the best RB's of all time here.

Also I don't understand why some people were saying that CJ had a better rookie year than AD had.

Peterson- 1341 yards 5.6 YPC 12 TD
Johnson- 1228 yards 4.9 YPC 9 TD

Don't take this as me saying that Chris Johnson isn't amazing, he is and if he keeps this up for a prolonged stretch he could definitely catch Peterson, but as of now it's Adrian Peterson 1 and CJ 2.
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the last page and a half make me smile <3

I put johnson below AD, MJD and Raymell baby with Gore VERY close behind
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the last page and a half make me smile <3

I put johnson below AD, MJD and Raymell baby with Gore VERY close behind
I hate you scotty. You only put Ray ahead of CJ because you dumb homer and you put MJD ahead of him because he looks like Ray.
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I hate you scotty. You only put Ray ahead of CJ because you dumb homer and you put MJD ahead of him because he looks like Ray.
actually:
Ray Rice is the best ever, that's why he's ahead of CJ
and I just LOOOOOVE MJD, have for a long time. I just feel they're more complete backs in terms of having power along with speed and agility.
They both have outstanding recieving ability, speed, and power.
Ray Rice's thighs are also the juiciest things on the face of the earth.
but Raymell has no influence on me putting MJD ahead of Johnson. I take MJD over CJ every day. There are times I believe MJD is better than AD
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Would you like CJ more if he had big juicy man thighs Scotty?

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that or if he went to Rutgers.
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I don't think he is having a down year per say. He is actually having his most balanced season ever in terms of use in the passing game.
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It's good to see most people are not bumping CJ over Peterson based on a half a season. I lol at people saying he's even having a down year, he's on pace for 1500 yards and 18 TD's. If that's a down year we're talking about one of the best RB's of all time here.

Also I don't understand why some people were saying that CJ had a better rookie year than AD had.

Peterson- 1341 yards 5.6 YPC 12 TD
Johnson- 1228 yards 4.9 YPC 9 TD

Don't take this as me saying that Chris Johnson isn't amazing, he is and if he keeps this up for a prolonged stretch he could definitely catch Peterson, but as of now it's Adrian Peterson 1 and CJ 2.


So receiving numbers don't count for RB's? CJ had a better overall rookie season, really any way you look at it. At this pace, his sophmore season will be better too, I know AD was hurt, but that counts too, because CJ has showed he can be durable when everyone thought he was just a scat back.


Why don't you look at their total yards from scrimmage their rookie years, and not just rushing totals. That's why people are saying CJ had a better rookie season.


CJ has played well for more then a half of a season, and honestly it only took about a half of a season for people to start the AD>LT talk and it was perfectly fine then for most people so I don't see much difference in that now.
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There were rumblings over the summer that Peterson was looking to gains ten pounds of muscle so he could take more carries and deliver more punishment. Childress and other rb's around the league advised against it because they said it could cost him some of his burst and top speed that make him such a special player. I think LT said hes played at a lighter playing weight than in college at times because being faster and quicker has made it easier to get away from the big slower linebackers and lineman. i think he said he plays at around 210.

I think Peterson ended up gaining some weight, and it looks it a little. Hes not quite as explosive or gamebreaking as in years past despite a better team around him. still a great player but it def hurt his game a bit.

I think its something that Bush did coming out of college and since getting to the nfl, he added upper body muscle so that his bench would be better at his workout and people would think he could 'carry the load' and do away with that criticism. unfortunately, it took his change of direction skills and burst away a bit. They were a bit overrated beforehand if you watch his college highlights hes not quite as fast straight ahead or side to side as people seem to remember, still very good, but not Barry laterally or CJ straight ahead. Bush doesnt have the mental approach of a up the gut for 4 tough yards back, but his slight drop in that special something hurt him and his confidence and he hasnt been the same player since.
I was wondering about that. I've seen AD get caught from behind this year even without a great angle. That didn't used to happen.
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I'm shocked at how good Johnson has been. I wasn't impressed with him at all in college and saw nothing in his game that made me think he was really anything more than another Trung Canidate/Sultan McCullough.

I think he's gotten a lot better since he came into the NFL, because he was very unproductive his first three years at ECU and even in his breakout senior year he didn't really produce against legitimate defenses.

But yeah, I don't see how he could be anything less than top five at the moment, and it's a pretty easy argument to say he's in the top three.

I would definitely take Peterson and Williams ahead of him, and probably Maurice Jones-Drew until I see Johnson sustain his current production.
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He is so fast...it's rediculous. Watching him turn the corner on NFL defenses is like watching Florida or something against a cream puff D1A schedule filler at the beginning of the year. Tennessee has a talented offensive line, and he benefits from that..but you can't hold that against him. His speed is probably the scariest thing for opposing coaches in the NFL right now.
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What has Steven Jackson done since is 1500 yard season? I know the offense is piss poor outside him but really? You have never really seen a titans game have you? I can understand DeAngelo, just because he has been in the NFL longer, but Chris Johnson has had a better start to his career than both and is playing MUCH better than Deangelo this year.
Well, mainly because he puts up 1000 yard seasons consistently in St. Louis, and CJ has only been in the league for a year and a half, with pretty good O-Line play I would think. I think if he keeps up next year he will be top two. No real need to get all defensive because he plays for your team man.
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So receiving numbers don't count for RB's? CJ had a better overall rookie season, really any way you look at it. At this pace, his sophmore season will be better too, I know AD was hurt, but that counts too, because CJ has showed he can be durable when everyone thought he was just a scat back.


Why don't you look at their total yards from scrimmage their rookie years, and not just rushing totals. That's why people are saying CJ had a better rookie season.


CJ has played well for more then a half of a season, and honestly it only took about a half of a season for people to start the AD>LT talk and it was perfectly fine then for most people so I don't see much difference in that now.

Peterson had more receiving yards in his rookie year than Johnson did so this makes no sense.
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i'm curious how much of peterson's "down year" is attributable to having the worst play-calling coach in the league.


It's really scary that he's this good despite Childress. There's been a number of times this year where Peterson went through long periods of not touching the ball, which is incredibly frustrating. I don't care if his first 20 carries go for 20 yards, the way Peterson is the 21st could go for 80 and Childress has forgotten this for some reason.
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To me, if you can't take 20 runs up the gut every game, youre more of a scatback.

I can't see CJ holding up for an entire season if he had to do that. AP could. He's more of a complete runner. But CJ is more of a complete player. If that makes any sense.
I think that definition is a bit unfair.

CJ has already displayed the ability to be an inside runner. He's not limited at all to running outside. It's just because he has that speed that if he can turn the corner, he's getting a 1st Down or more. The Titans aren't spreading the field to open things up for CJ. They're lining up in the I-Formation with a FB and TE and playing power football. Now that VY is in there though, we're seeing some option stuff and other things too. It's gonna be interesting to see how they continue to utilize both VY and CJ together.

CJ's a lot tougher than he's given credit for. He's not gonna truck you like AD, but he can still break tackles.
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Peterson had more receiving yards in his rookie year than Johnson did so this makes no sense.
Your right, I don't know what numbers I was looking at while I was at work :(
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Imagine what Johnson could do with a passing game around him that kept defenses spread out. Yeah, he's pretty ridiculous.
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i'm curious how much of peterson's "down year" is attributable to having the worst play-calling coach in the league.
Jimmy Raye disagrees with this statement
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