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Old 11-11-2009, 01:55 AM    (permalink
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Wasn't Derek Anderson good a few years ago?
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I like Alex Mack too. their young receivers are pretty good but they probably need a stud wideout. Thing with Quinn is they probably need to see what they have going into the next draft. If someone like a Holmgren takes over he might want to bring his own QB in. (not necessarily a rookie QB either).
I like Alex Mack, but he's not performing at an AFC North level yet. Mack was perceived by many to be a near perfect Center prospect coming out of Cal, but there were a few question marks coming out of college that have been on display in the NFL. Mack's not a grinder in the run game, he's not a natural drive blocker, and he ends up on the ground too often.

Mack's development can be defined as normal or about what you could reasonably expect from a rookie in the AFC North. Casey Hampton, Domata Peko, and Kelly Gregg are capable of giving this guy fits for a couple years. Hampton and Gregg, specifically, are good matchups against Mack as they line up right on top of him and are players that rely on terrific leverage and strength. Try to keep an eye on him this Monday against Gregg.

Right now I'd list Mack as a liability on that line, but it's obviously not a hole for the future as he should develop into an upper-tier interior lineman. Bengals' first year starter Kyle Cook has outperformed Mack by a good margin in the same division and it's not all too hard to see why. There are certain traits a Center must have in the AFC North with three 3-4 defenses and the Bengals #2 rush defense. Toughness, tenacity, strength, and balance are perhaps the four most important factors for an AFC North Center and Mack has yet to handle the more physical part of the game. He has the intangibles and physical tools necessary to become that kind of Center, but must adjust to a different type of football than the Pac-10 threw at him.

Like most of the Browns team, we have to sit back and say just give it time.
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I'm tired of the people on here pretending that Quinn is some stud who's being held back by a bad team. That's not the case. Quinn sucks.
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I'm tired of the people on here pretending that Quinn is some stud who's being held back by a bad team. That's not the case. Quinn sucks.
Havent seen that talk in this thread, possibly just the opposite. I think you need to play him, see what he can or cant do and go forward next spring with a plan. Quinn is a big strong guy with smarts and a pretty decent arm. He really doesnt have much to throw to in terms of talent and experience so i guess that will seem to be his fault, such is the nature of the position.
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Quinn sucks, he is mr. check down, and looks only for wide open WR, he can't anticipate WR getting open.

You could say his WR suck if they always dropped passes, or could never ever get open.
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Quinn sucks, he is mr. check down, and looks only for wide open WR, he can't anticipate WR getting open.

You could say his WR suck if they always dropped passes, or could never ever get open.
Our WR are the definition of suck.
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i dig the pre-excuses. like, "when he sucks, it's not actually going to be because he sucks. so you can't say he sucks until X, Y and Z."
You can't though. If he sucks, he's a sucky quarterback on the Browns. It's pretty hard not to be. He's clearly not a quarterback who can elevate the play of the talent around him and do special things on his own Elway-style, but it's hard to write a guy off who's played eight games for the second worst franchise in the NFL. You have to assume he sucks at this point until he proves otherwise, but I can't blame anyone for not wanting to give up on him after eight games.
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The Browns really were just as bad under Quinn. Fans criticized the conservative play-calling but didn't realize it was because of Brady Quinn's comfortability (or lack of) in the pocket. In two and a half games, Quinn took ten sacks. In the twenty two quarters since, Anderson (the more methodical, less mobile of the two) has taken nine sacks. In college, Quinn would pass too much attention to pressure and got happy feet in the pocket, remarkably it's been the exact same here in the NFL.

I've had the distinct.....experience....of watching every Browns game (except Buffalo and Minnesota). Neither of these Quarterbacks can play for this team and succeed, I think that much is fact. When Mangini benched Quinn in favor of Derek Anderson in the second half of the Baltimore game in Week 3, he wasn't thinking contract incentives, he was thinking about how he could open up this offense and provide some life.

The next week, Cincinnati came to town, and Derek Anderson looked more comfortable and stable than any Browns QB has all year to this day. It looked as if this was just a better team with Anderson, a more experienced, confident, and stronger armed passer. He made his mistakes, but kept the Browns close to the Bengals en route to an overtime loss. Still, more positives came out of that came than any, as the offense had its' best showing and a connection appeared to have been born between Anderson and Mohamed Massaquoi. This had the team confident enough to get rid of talented headache receiver Braylon Edwards. The next week, Anderson and the passing game had their worst showing of the year in Buffalo, but the team won. In past weeks against Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and Chicago nothing has worked and Mangini has kept Quinn on the sidelines as a sign of patience and stability. Now it's clear to him that Anderson can't be giving the Browns their best chance to win and you might as well see what you have in the young arm of Brady Quinn.

This isn't the owner/coach looking for ways to avoid paying their players, it is the team looking at two equally bad options and going back and forth, waffling on which is better for the team. Barring injury, however, I'd expect that Quinn starts the rest of the year... even if that means an 0-8 finish. It's a hard subject to place time and interest into as a football fan, as it really couldn't matter less which quarterback plays in reality. Still, I think the fans are being overly critical of the organization, rather than starting at the core, the team itself.
Your assessments are dead on, but about the critical aspect:The issue is that there is little doubt that these two guys[Quinn-Anderson] would be playing better under the previous offense of Chudzinski. The current OC is the youngest in the NFL, if i remember hearing correctly, and seems completely overwhelmed with his task. A Mangini hand pick, just like his GM.
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Quinn was a pick away from being a Chief they got stuck with Dwayne Bowe instead...
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Anyone that has made up their mind that Brady Quinn sucks based on the available sample size is an idiot.

He's only thrown 174 passes.

If he's already a bust, then so are Mark Sanchez, Matt Stafford, Vince Young, and JaFatass Russell. They've produced similarly to Quinn, and all have more pass attempts than him.

Is he a bust because he doesn't JUSSS WINZZZ GAYMEZZZ?

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I'm tired of the people on here pretending that Quinn is some stud who's being held back by a bad team. That's not the case. Quinn sucks.
Uhh have you taken a look at the 10 other field that line up with Quinn on offense? Ain't exactly putting up touchdowns at a record pace.

Come on, after you see a guy throw 1 TD and 11 int's, how is this not the move to make? Might as well see what you invested in before you make another drastic move in the draft the next season.
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This thread has to be satire of ignorant football analysis, there's no other way to explain the hyperbole and lack of intelligent thought flying around.
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8 games really isn't an adequate sample size to evaluate a young QB. The Browns should have started Quinn a full 16 games at least, then made their evaluation, which still is somewhat premature.
Aikman and Steve Young SUCKED after 8 games. Peyton wasn't Peyton either after 8 games.
Anyone remember Drew Brees after 8 starts??

The best thing for all parties is for Quinn to get out of Cleveland and start over somewhere else IMO.
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Wasn't Derek Anderson good a few years ago?
Only for people who didn't actually watch the games.

Trust me. I saw almost every Browns game that year, at not one point was Anderson impressive. Winslow and Edwards bailed him out; catching inaccurate ball after ball that was thrown to them. He's never been good.
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ESPN has on the NFL Page, Brady Quinn linked to the Broncos, wtf, the trade deadline is over!
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This is another pathetic showing by Brady Quinn who has been sacked twice, hasn't thrown a pass further than 10 yards downfield, and hasn't thrown a single pass down the middle... Now two interceptions and a pick six. His second interception has the Ravens in position to score again.

With Anderson this offense is inefficient, with Quinn they are anemic.

This is bad play calling, bad coaching...but most of all, awful quarterbacking.
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Brady Quinn sucks balls. I knew he would never amount to ****. **** his pro style offense he ran in college. He needs the Shark.
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I like how the forum has turned from loving Brady Quinn (circa 2006) to hating him. At least I was skeptical of him back in the day; although, to be fair, I did like Jamarcus Russell. That said, the Raiders will ruin any prospect, can't miss or otherwise.
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I loved J Russ. **** my life on that one. I always hated Quinn. Such a preppy ****** bwoi who ain't **** with out the Shark
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the amount of 2 step drops to quick shots to the WR that are being called by CLE Is embarassing
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I was really high on Russell too, but I was skeptical as soon as the Raiders drafted him.
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I never had a vision for JaMarcus in Oakland, but that's ok, because neither did he.

I thought Quinn was going to become a very solid QB in an Eli Manning/Aaron Rodgers way.

In other news... Quinn takes a flop.
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I was really high on Russell too, but I was skeptical as soon as the Raiders drafted him.

Pretty much. He needed a good, strong locker room to keep him disciplined and focused. He reminded me an awful lot of Ben Roethlisberger coming out and I can only imagine what Ben's career would have been like playing in Oakland rather than Pittsburgh.
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Put me in that high on Jamarcus, low on BQ camp. 50% ain't bad though.
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at least J Russ can throw it 9392 yards
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