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Old 11-16-2009, 10:55 PM    (permalink
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at least J Russ can throw it 9392 yards
Quinn can throw it 15 if it gets tipped about 7 yards out.
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Quinn can throw it 15 if it gets tipped about 7 yards out.
Tonight I saw Quinn throw 48 yards for a TD... the other way.
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At least Russell is still in the NFL. I was on the Andre Woodson bandwagon for a while...no idea where he's at right now.
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At least Russell is still in the NFL. I was on the Andre Woodson bandwagon for a while...no idea where he's at right now.
Check the UFL rosters. Man those things are hilarious...
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I was in the BQ as a better prospect than Russell... At least I seem right on that front. Unfortunately I also was in the BQ as a good prospect, look irredeemably wrong on that front. Didn't like Russell at all, he always felt like that prospect that people wanted to be good but really wasn't. I mean people constantly were saying he was mobile, despite the fact there was nothing supporting it.

I digress though, god they are both just so bad right now.
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At least the play-calling came around there, with two attempts down the field. Still, Quinn's intermediate-deep accuracy has been, and was there, bad. I'm a true believer it's Quinn's lack of confidence in the pocket and accuracy down the field that has the Browns' hands tied as far as play-calling goes. Credit them for trying different looks, but damn... this offense is bad.

Don't forget the WR concern. By concern I mean, these receivers haven't been able to get separation down the field at all dating back to the start of the year.
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Brady Quinn's trade value is dropping by the snap. His deep accuracy now has to be a concern to potential suitors.
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Brady Quinn is like a rare toy. He looks good when he's in the box not being used, but as soon as you take him out of the box he is useless and valueless.
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Old 11-16-2009, 11:29 PM    (permalink
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Brady Quinn's trade value is dropping by the snap. His deep accuracy now has to be a concern to potential suitors.
Cribbs got tripped up there though.

And to be fair, it was his 1st game back vs a tough D...........Lets give him more than a game on this comeback to decide what is good or not. New offensive coordinator(A bad one at that, he worked with our stupid OC Schottenheimer) and WR who cannot get seperation and are still learning routes.
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Brady Quinn is like a rare toy. He looks good when he's in the box not being used, but as soon as you take him out of the box he is useless and valueless.
This is why I thought he should have stayed in that box and expressed that earlier in this thread. This offense is more anemic with Quinn than the Bengals' a year ago with Ryan Fitzpatrick, who by the way, I'd probably rather have than Quinn at this point.

I hope it's just confidence and comfortability that has Quinn struggling. I was one of those who loved him coming out of college. He wasn't flawless, in fact there was some concern about his confidence in the pocket under pressure and his play facing the blitz. His deep accuracy was also a concern. Those problems have only manifested here in the NFL.
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It doesn't help that the playcalling just blows....i mean mangina ran screens out the ass
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I think it's time to stop with the excuses for brady quinn. He's not a good quarterback, and it wouldn't matter if he was qb of the AFC pro-bowl team, he'll find some way to through it behind the receiver or out of bounds.

Also sometimes when a linebacker comes at you, you have to try to make a play with your feet instead of panicking and throw a horrible quick pass.
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It doesn't help that the playcalling just blows....i mean mangina ran screens out the ass
Did you see Quinn's deep accuracy? Did you see his accuracy on intermediate routes? Or his accuracy over the middle? I've never seen a QB throw mostly screens and quick hooks and still complete only 42% of his passes. By that logic, with that conservative playcalling, why had Quinn still taken 14 sacks in 14 quarters? Quinn was garbage and the Browns offensive strategy was geared knowing that. It's not like this is even that good a pass defense and it's not like the Browns have that bad an offensive line.

Why do people continue to let Quinn off the hook? His career is certainly not over, but his career in Cleveland should be, because he's not improving, he's losing confidence, and this just isn't a situation in Cleveland that is going to turn itself around.
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Its new offensive systems, its a big reason why guys like Jason Campbell and Alex Smith are failing. And why both need to get out of their team if they want any shot again. If there is no stability with the offensive coaches and scheming, how can a QB get down the playbook and be able to make effective reads when they keep changing every year or so?

Also doesnt help to have Mangini who gave Kellen Clemens this same exact baby treatment in 2007........
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It's hard to believe that it was only a couple of years ago that the Browns looked like a team going forward.

Had a good receiving TE and WR. A great OT and good OG pairing and then it just fell to pieces, can't help but feel like it's an ownership on down thing either, this is a team that needs someone like Cowher or Dungy at the helm, a guy who will get 3 years without being questioned and double guessed by the rest of the team. Mangini is not the guy to give this team any hope.
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Not sure if it's Quinn being terrible or the playcalling being terrible. To tell the truth i dont really want to find out.
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Browns entire offense blows, we have no one around the QB at all thanks to Mangini trading away Winslow and Edwards.
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I think it's time to stop with the excuses for brady quinn. He's not a good quarterback, and it wouldn't matter if he was qb of the AFC pro-bowl team, he'll find some way to through it behind the receiver or out of bounds.

Also sometimes when a linebacker comes at you, you have to try to make a play with your feet instead of panicking and throw a horrible quick pass.
This. And like pudge said I think the play-calling is meant to play to Quinn's "strengths". Consecutive hail marys 5yds out of bounds tells it all.
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C. All of the Above.

He has no weapons though, none at all but Mangini's play calling is horrific. Like all time bad.

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Trading away genuine playmakers because you don't get along with them still reeks of stupidity to me, like how ego-centric do you need to be to sacrifice that kind of talent because you don't like a guy?
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Trading away genuine playmakers because you don't get along with them still reeks of stupidity to me, like how ego-centric do you need to be to sacrifice that kind of talent because you don't like a guy?
Yeah, it still pisses me off but we cant change it now. We got rid of the only two fun players on offense this franchise has seen in 10 years... Because they hate losing? WTF.
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Browns entire offense blows, we have no one around the QB at all thanks to Mangini trading away Winslow and Edwards.
Mike Furrey baby! Dives on the ground after catching every pass to avoid getting hit. Can't believe he had 98 receptions and a 1000+ yards in the 06-07 season.
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As Kevin Harlan put it:
'I can't believe how bad this Browns offense is.'
Brady Quinn probably doesn't have it to be a starter in the NFL. He also has no running game, no one to throw and a below average offensive line, despite having an extremely promising center and an All-Star caliber left tackle. The play-calling is also crap.
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Sorry guys, 8 games is still nowhere near enough of a sample size to write off Quinn. Believe it or not, some guys develop, something clicks. At this point sending Brady out of town would be a huge waste of development time/money. He needs to see the field more. Maybe they can come to some conclusion by the end of the season but personally I wouldn't give up on him.
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Quinn could really use K2... Freeman is really taking advantage of having a go to target at tight end, it's something the Browns don't have... anywhere.
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I feel bad for Brian Quinn, he has nobody to throw to. If he had a better supporting cast he would be good.
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