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Old 11-19-2009, 08:24 AM    (permalink
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While our QB situation is dire,the talent around it needs serious work,especially the offensive line. I'd take Suh,McCoy,or Okung,in the first and grab a stop gap solution like Kellen Clemens.
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I think he potentially could have been a good QB if he went to the right situation and learned for a few years behind someone, but that didn't happen. Also, honestly, when will you ever need a QB to throw 60 yards on his knees?
He's gonna have to be good on his knees to get a job anywhere else.
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:12 AM    (permalink
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This is what makes it so interesting.

Draft a QB next draft or wait until the 2012 draft?

Use your first rounder on a QB or use your 2nd/3rd/4th rounder on a QB?
In wich purpose?? Do you really count on the Raiders (and lets be fair, it would be true with any team), to develop a franchise QB out of the later rounds?

I think you bite the bullet and do the classic move of the high risk/high reward 1st rounder again and hope for the best. Only this time maybe you dont take the guy that has the highest bust potential in the draft!
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I honestly believe he could actually be a decent QB if he signs with the Vikings next year.

He'll have AD taking off a lot of the pressure, as well as a strong young WR core. He really wouldn't have to do much to succeed there, plus being around someone who trains as hard as AD would more than likely rub off on him.
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If he won't even watch a DVD at home with some plays on it or really look at photos on the sidelines, I doubt he'll ever do anything at QB in the NFL regardless of how good of a situation he goes to. With all that talent the idea of waiting for him to clear waivers and then having him learn from Manning for a few years is attractive, but one session with Manning would melt his brain.
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then again, the same could have been said for Cedric Benson. Some people just need to grow up
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If Ryan Mallett comes out this year.... we might take him in the 2nd, or reach from the top 6 in the draft and get him. Hopefully this season is a wake up call for Davis, we need to go back to the Gruden west coast offence. Draft Clausen, Bradford or sign a vet. Id really be happy to have Suh though
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Russell to the Raiders first overall was pretty much doomed from the moment the pick happened.
I agree completely with this. I think JaMarcus may have failed anyways because of how lazy he's shown himself to be (it seems like he doesn't mind being the butt of all quarterback jokes), but it's the Raiders. They didn't give him a chance. They fired and hired coaches repeatedly, gave him way too many new offenses to learn, didn't take advantage of his skills, and weren't able to put a very solid group of linemen or wide receivers there for him. It didn't matter which QB they took #1, they would have failed.
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I honestly believe he could actually be a decent QB if he signs with the Vikings next year.

He'll have AD taking off a lot of the pressure, as well as a strong young WR core. He really wouldn't have to do much to succeed there, plus being around someone who trains as hard as AD would more than likely rub off on him.
You don't see Brett Favre coming back next season?

I do.
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Sure the firing of coaches can be blamed or lack of talent, but nothing can be said about his lack of passion for the game. Its pretty clear that he is all about the money, not being a winner. All th reports have been negative about him working out, coming into camp out of shape. Maybe he pulls a Cedric Benson type of turn around if he gets a chance too. He has the talent, lacks the desire to be a NFL QB
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If Ryan Mallett comes out this year.... we might take him in the 2nd, or reach from the top 6 in the draft and get him. Hopefully this season is a wake up call for Davis, we need to go back to the Gruden west coast offence. Draft Clausen, Bradford or sign a vet. Id really be happy to have Suh though
Ryan Mallett...why not just stick with Russell? I really hope Al can't pronounce Suh's first name and just dismisses him outright. I feel like that's a real possibility.
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Cutting Russell or drafting a QB there isn't going to accomplish anything. There isn't a QB alive that can succeed there.
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Cutting Russell or drafting a QB there isn't going to accomplish anything. There isn't a QB alive that can succeed there.
IMO they should spend every draft pick building a decent O-line and mash with D-Mac, Bush and Fargas with some play action thrown in. pick up a game manager somewhere and forget this vertical game ridiculousness.
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IMO they should spend every draft pick building a decent O-line and mash with D-Mac, Bush and Fargas with some play action thrown in. pick up a game manager somewhere and forget this vertical game ridiculousness.
If every there was a team that should use the wildhog it is the Oakland Raiders. Use McFadden as a QB, with Bush and Fargas. It isn't like they would miss their passing attack.
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Wasn't Bush a QB in high school, and recruited as a QB before Brohm broke out?
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If every there was a team that should use the wildhog it is the Oakland Raiders. Use McFadden as a QB, with Bush and Fargas. It isn't like they would miss their passing attack.
It would probably improve. was just talking with a Raider fan, saying they should stick with Russell til the end of the year to improve their draft spot/see for sure if he is a complete zero for them. His thought was that by benching him they find out just how much of the wretchedness was Jamarcus based, which should help them make more qualified decisions in the offseason. He's probably right.
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Jamarcus Russell reminds me of a player who just floats along, doesn't do anything to improve his game and just goes onto the field only to get paid.
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Ryan Mallett...why not just stick with Russell? I really hope Al can't pronounce Suh's first name and just dismisses him outright. I feel like that's a real possibility.
I dont want Mallett, but wouldnt be surprised if we draft him. Al drafted Nnamdi Asomugha... he should know how to pernounce Ndamukong Suh
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I think the whole "Russell doesn't have any thing around him" argument is getting blown out of proportion.

The Raiders are a bad football team I get it but to me Russell's bad play has more to do with him then the players around him.
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I don't understand this move. Bruce Gradkowski is pretty terrible himself, is older, and has been in the league longer. Stick with the younger guy that has higher upside and hope the light just turns on in one of the final few games. If it doesn't, then look to sign a vet in the offseason or take one in the draft. Trust me, the Raiders aren't going to win any more games with Gadkowski than they are with Russell.
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I think the whole "Russell doesn't have any thing around him" argument is getting blown out of proportion.

The Raiders are a bad football team I get it but to me Russell's bad play has more to do with him then the players around him.
I wonder, if I put Drew Brees, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning in his place, would they succeed there? I think they would do just fine.
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The Raiders have a lot of talent,but not enough in the trenches and at QB.
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