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Old 11-30-2009, 10:23 AM    (permalink
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I don't care if the Titans go .500 the rest of the way and CJ doesn't score another TD. If he goes over 2,000 yards, he should be the MVP of the league. There's a reason that has only been done six times before, and that's cause it's damn difficult. Every single year we have QBs doing what Manning, Favre and Brees are doing.
If he breaks the all-time rushing record, which while were on the subject of 2000 rushing yards isn't really that far away he's got a great case regardless of record as well and puts him above both QB's unless the Colts go undefeated. 2100 rushing yards happens how often? Yea he'd have my vote pretty easily at that point.
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1. Brees
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All MVP discussion that doesn't have Peyton #1 is moot until he loses a game. CJ could go for 3000 and if the Colts are 16-0 it's no contest.
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All MVP discussion that doesn't have Peyton #1 is moot until he loses a game. CJ could go for 3000 and if the Colts are 16-0 it's no contest.
I think it's really going to be how each candidate finishes the season. If the Colts reach 13-0, their next 3 games are looking pretty simple. They've already locked down the division title and if they win just two more and if San Diego, New England, and Cincinnati lose one more all season, they've locked down the conference. If things fall that way, I'd be shocked if they don't start sitting people, Manning included.

If that happens, and Manning is holding a clipboard while Favre, Brees, and Johnson continue to rack up numbers and win games, it's going to be tough still giving him the award.
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My MVPs

1. Darrelle Revis
2. Chris Johnson
3. Peyton Manning
4. Charles Woodson
5. Antonio Gates

the slobber fest over these qbs is disturbing. you see the top 5 and they are all qbs. why not call it the most valuable qb if the media is going to turn the award into the heisman (aka, the boobie award). how about giving credit to a guy who has mastered his craft when every rule in place is against him. no touching the receiver, breathing on the receiver, or looking at the receiver. thats the nfl though, they want high scoring games and they have to cheat the players, game, and the fans to get them. a complete and utter joke. will someone please remove gene washington from the comp committe? i cant stand it!!

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Better check your stats again.
Reading comprehension is awesome. I clearly stated in my post that I was using stats prior to this past weeks games since the Colts have already played and the Saints haven't. Prior to week 12, the Colts were giving up 15.7 points per game (1st in the league) while the Cincinnati Bengals were giving up 16.7 points per game (2nd in the league). Please do not try and call me out if you have no idea what you are talking about.

The point remains though, the Colts have a top five defense and the Saints defense is outside the top ten. As long as both teams remain undefeated, Brees has the slight edge in my eyes. We'll see what happens after tonight though, it could be a moot point.
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My MVPs

1. Darrelle Revis
2. Chris Johnson
3. Peyton Manning
4. Charles Woodson
5. Antonio Gates

the slobber fest over these qbs is disturbing. you see the top 5 and they are all qbs. why not call it the most valuable qb if the media is going to turn the award into the heisman (aka, the boobie award). how about giving credit to a guy who has mastered his craft when every rule in place is against him. no touching the receiver, breathing on the receiver, or looking at the receiver. thats the nfl though, they want high scoring games and they have to cheat the players, game, and the fans to get them. a complete and utter joke. will someone please remove gene washington from the comp committe? i cant stand it!!
DPOY is the defensive MVP. Defensive guys like LT can win MVP if they have TRULY dominant seasons. Revis isn't having a truly dominant season and his team isn't that good. He's not winning MVP. I really don't know how you don't at least have Drew Brees on that list, either.
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I'll give it to Peyton as of now, he's on pace to break Marino's yardage record and hasn't lost yet. Can't really vote against that. The race definitely isn't over yet though.
Little known fact, Tom Brady has some fairly s*** pass defenses left to play and is playing well enough to break it as well, yet, gets no press for that matter.

I wonder if he will be in the banter at the end of the year if he is 650 or so yards from breaking it. (2-3 games left).
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DPOY is the defensive MVP. Defensive guys like LT can win MVP if they have TRULY dominant seasons. Revis isn't having a truly dominant season and his team isn't that good. He's not winning MVP. I really don't know how you don't at least have Drew Brees on that list, either.
Gates is pretty bizarre too...don't get me wrong, Gates is teh beastz and an all pro, but Rivers is the one choking bitches.
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Seriously, Revis and Gates are good players, but MVP candidates?
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Reading comprehension is awesome. I clearly stated in my post that I was using stats prior to this past weeks games since the Colts have already played and the Saints haven't. Prior to week 12, the Colts were giving up 15.7 points per game (1st in the league) while the Cincinnati Bengals were giving up 16.7 points per game (2nd in the league). Please do not try and call me out if you have no idea what you are talking about.

The point remains though, the Colts have a top five defense and the Saints defense is outside the top ten. As long as both teams remain undefeated, Brees has the slight edge in my eyes. We'll see what happens after tonight though, it could be a moot point.
You're using point against as the sole definition of defensive ranking? Colts have a middle of the road defense, as evidenced by their yardage statistics.
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yes, it's far more important to keep a team to low yardage then it is to keep them from scoring. that's a far more relevant stat to use as your only metric.
Nah man, you obviously want to use more but yards is typically a better indicator than points if you can only use one. Your offense and special teams has a huge effect on the points allowed, unlike yardage statistics which are completely dependent on the defense.
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Seriously, Revis and Gates are good players, but MVP candidates?
No way what so ever are they even close to being in the MVP mix.
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Philip Rivers is having a legit MVP type season. I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'm not sure I've seen his name anywhere. Someone mentioned Revis, Woodson, and Gates before Rivers? Something is wrong here.
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You watching D. Brees right now? I can't argue against him right now.
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Like other people have said and C.Johnson is having a freak year that you don't see that often he has my vote. (That is if I had a vote):)
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Philip Rivers is having a legit MVP type season. I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'm not sure I've seen his name anywhere. Someone mentioned Revis, Woodson, and Gates before Rivers? Something is wrong here.
Rivers is putting up yet another great season, but he's totally overshadowed right now. There's no real argument for putting him above Peyton, Brees or Favre.
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You watching D. Brees right now? I can't argue against him right now.
This could go down as one of the closest votes in history. I'm seriously torn over at least 3 or 4 legitimate candidates. This has been one hell of a year for the league.
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NFL is by far the best entertainment in sports no question.

(Insert soccer argument here)

I know its huge around the world but it doesn't touch the NFL in my book.
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You're using point against as the sole definition of defensive ranking? Colts have a middle of the road defense, as evidenced by their yardage statistics.
You do realize that purpose of football is to score points, not gain yards. Right? Which defense would you rather have: One that gives up 330 yards and 17 points per game or one that gives up 290 yards per game but 24 points per game? Because it sounds to me that you think the Giants have a top five defense, yet the Colts is "middle of the road."

I don't understand why you think so highly of yourself. It is possible for you to be wrong on occasion, it happens to all of us. But no, not Moses. You'll make absurd arguments even when you are factually proved wrong just because you don't want to admit it to yourself. I'll stop feeding the troll though. If you think you're right, than be my guest.
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1- Manning
2- Brees
3- Favre

I think those are the only ones with a real shot. CJ, ARod, and Rivers are all having MVP type seasons but I think they'll be overshadowed by the top 3...and understandably so.
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2. Chris Johnson
3. Peyton Manning
4. Charles Woodson
5. Antonio Gates

the slobber fest over these qbs is disturbing. you see the top 5 and they are all qbs. why not call it the most valuable qb if the media is going to turn the award into the heisman (aka, the boobie award). how about giving credit to a guy who has mastered his craft when every rule in place is against him. no touching the receiver, breathing on the receiver, or looking at the receiver. thats the nfl though, they want high scoring games and they have to cheat the players, game, and the fans to get them. a complete and utter joke. will someone please remove gene washington from the comp committe? i cant stand it!!
You have to understand how important the QB position is in football. A top QB can take a team from mediocre to amazing. A top TE or CB can add some extra dimensions to a team but can't really carry a team to the top alone.
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Philip Rivers is having a legit MVP type season. I haven't read through this entire thread, but I'm not sure I've seen his name anywhere. Someone mentioned Revis, Woodson, and Gates before Rivers? Something is wrong here.
Rivers is the MVP of my heart but not about to win MVP this year. Would've made a decent argument last year since he unquestionably had the best stats but ultimately Hochuli and a couple other bad breaks cost him a winning season and made it impossible.
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I was just saying Rivers could be in the discussion, though that list could get extensive with so many stellar offensive campaigns compared to years past. A QB heading one of the top 3 teams in the league is where the MVP will reign. Sorry CJ.

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I was just saying Rivers could be in the discussion, though that list could get extensive with so many stellar offensive campaigns compared to years past. One of the QBs heading the top 3 teams in the league is where the MVP will reign. Sorry CJ.
He should be in the discussion but probably not higher than 4. Run the table and get the 2 seed...he could beat out a couple guys. But ultimately it's a media award and Peyton is undefeated/Favre is God. Brees can't be God too so he gets to be the Holy Spirit and the Son.
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