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Old 11-30-2009, 11:38 PM    (permalink
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1- Manning
2- Brees
3- Favre

I think those are the only ones with a real shot. CJ, ARod, and Rivers are all having MVP type seasons but I think they'll be overshadowed by the top 3...and understandably so.
Wait what? I hope you are not referring to Aaron Rodgers.
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Brees can't be God too so he gets to be the Holy Spirit and the Son.
Um, no. He's Breesus.
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Um, no. He's Breesus.
That's who the son is
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Wait what? I hope you are not referring to Aaron Rodgers.
Nope, I think he was talking about Andy Roddick.
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Old 12-01-2009, 06:11 AM    (permalink
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Drew Brees definitely jumped back into the race.
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Wait what? I hope you are not referring to Aaron Rodgers.
More passing yards than Brees and Favre.
Better passer rating than Manning.
Less interceptions than Manning and Brees, only two more than Favre (3).
Let's take into account that Rodgers has been sacked 44 times, Manning 10, Favre 22, and Brees just 14. I'm not a fan of the 'What If' game or I'd argue that Rodgers would be a serious contender with a better O-Line.

Where it goes downhill for Rodgers is his team's W/L as well as his completion percentage, as his is worse than the other 3 QBs. Not by much though.
He also has the least TD passes of the other 3 QBs, which happens to put him at 4th best in the league.
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Rodgers is playing great this year but he isn't going to get serious consideration when there are two quarterbacks playing better than him, both on undefeated teams. If the Packers were 9-2 then maybe.

I still don't understand why Drew Brees is getting disrespected. If he isn't the clear favorite right now, he should be a real close number two behind Manning. Yet, after the best performance by a quarterback this season we are getting posts like "he's back in the race." Where did he ever go? Do people just go to the ESPN stats page and see that he's not in top three of yardage and dismiss him?

Look at the numbers closer. Brees is on pace to finish with the highest yards per attempt of any quarterback since Kurt Warner in 2000. He's also on pace to have the fourth best passer rating of all-time. Not to mention that he leads the league in touchdown passes and has two rushing touchdowns. His 29 total touchdowns gives him five more than any other quarterback in football. Oh yeah, the Saints are undefeated too...
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Old 12-01-2009, 10:25 AM    (permalink
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There's just alot of great QB's in the NFL right now (5 guys with ratings over 100) and alot of good stories. I think a major reason there is so many candidates this year is due to the disparity between the great teams and the bad teams. Almost all the playoff teams have viable candidates.

Ultimately I think it comes down to Favre, Peyton and Brees with Favre being the favorite right now. CJ will get some votes if he runs for 2000 and the Titans keep winning.
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if CJ wins for 2000 he will get OPotY for sure
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Wait what? I hope you are not referring to Aaron Rodgers.
What? Why?
I said he was in that second tier of candidates... He's not in serious consideration because of what Manning, Favre, and Brees are doing but the guy is playing lights out and putting up MVP type numbers.
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What? Why?
I said he was in that second tier of candidates... He's not in serious consideration because of what Manning, Favre, and Brees are doing but the guy is playing lights out and putting up MVP type numbers.
He's not having an MVP type season no matter how you spin it, not even close really.
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He's not having an MVP type season no matter how you spin it, not even close really.
Not even close? Perhaps with Brees, Manning, and Favre all doing so well with amazing team records... But you can't discount what he's been doing....same for Rivers actually...both players are having MVP caliper seasons but are being overshadowed, and rightfully IMO, but those big three QB's.

He carries this team, and has superb stats... and this is with an OLine that has been as bad or worse than any other team's has. I'm just saying he deserves some mention in the discussion. Same with Rivers.
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I still can't see a compelling argument for Brett Favre, when there are two teams with more wins, and both of the candidates from those teams are the top player on their team. I mean really, you really think switching Favre with Brees or MAnning would make those teams better, or make the vikings worse right now?
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Not even close? Perhaps with Brees, Manning, and Favre all doing so well with amazing team records... But you can't discount what he's been doing....same for Rivers actually...both players are having MVP caliper seasons but are being overshadowed, and rightfully IMO, but those big three QB's.

He carries this team, and has superb stats... and this is with an OLine that has been as bad or worse than any other team's has. I'm just saying he deserves some mention in the discussion. Same with Rivers.
hahaha hey don't drag Rivers into this, his credibility is his own. :D A Rod(g) is not in the top 4 of MVP candidates (Peyton, Brees, Favre, CJ) so the rest of the discussion doesn't really matter. There's just a lot of really amazing, season long performances this year.
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I still can't see a compelling argument for Brett Favre, when there are two teams with more wins, and both of the candidates from those teams are the top player on their team. I mean really, you really think switching Favre with Brees or MAnning would make those teams better, or make the vikings worse right now?


You guys have 11 wins, we have 10. Big deal. If you go undefeated you have an argument there.

And you honestly don't see a compelling argument for a QB that has taken a team from being mediocre to a legitimate contender in one year, taken an underachieving WR in Sidney Rice to top 15 WR status, made Percy Harvin the OROY favorite, and thrown 24 TD's to THREE INT's? Brees has thrown for just 3 more TD's and 6 more INT's. Manning has thrown for the same number of TD's and 8 more INT's. I understand that stats aren't everything, but to say you can't make a compelling argument for him is ridiculous.

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I still can't see a compelling argument for Brett Favre, when there are two teams with more wins, and both of the candidates from those teams are the top player on their team. I mean really, you really think switching Favre with Brees or MAnning would make those teams better, or make the vikings worse right now?
The really good argument there is the epic TD:Int ratio. If the undefeated teams drop one and they all finish 15-1 you have to take a good long look at Brett's insane season.
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They're all so even, both as producers, leaders of their team, & record-wise. Favre has the best stats, probably the weakest set of receivers, but has the best set of RBs. Brees has the deepest talent, while Peyton has the best go-to guys of the 3.

Breese may get it since he's yet to win 1, or the other 2 may get it since they're more popular. If 16-0 happens, that QB almost certainly has to have it. But I wouldn't be surprised to see it split 2-3 ways either.
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Brees had a season defining performance on Monday. If he can finish the season with more strong performances than game-manager performances (which has been his trouble this year), I say he tops my list. Manning is having a good year and is leading a great team, but I can't make a serious argument for him over Brees right now, all things considered.

Favre has, of course, been fantastic. That said, I can't help but think he needs to finish really strong to pull ahead of the group. As for Johnson, I imagine he'll probably top 2,000 yards, but even then I think he's looking at an OPOY award for his troubles. The quarterback group among winning teams right now is simply too strong for one of them not to win MVP.
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Chris Johnson vows to launch his "MVP campaign"

I really think he should be getting more love when it comes to MVP but I'm sure it will go to one of the big three QB's.

They are not doing any thing that hasn't been done before stat wise but CJ is on pace to have a season that has never been seen before or atleast not for along time.
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he would be in it if the Titans were 8-4 or so. But now its still a longshot to make the playoffs.

On the other side OPotY should be his
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If they some how run the table and make the playoffs (long shot) and he goes over 2000 yards and he doesn't get MVP that will be a shame in my book.
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If they some how run the table and make the playoffs (long shot) and he goes over 2000 yards and he doesn't get MVP that will be a shame in my book.
Jamal Lewis only got an OPotY when he got over 2k.
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Jamal Lewis only got an OPotY when he got over 2k.
Chris Johnson is on pace to not only have more yards then Jamal but to do it with less carries that is crazy.

He is leading the league in rushing while having 21 less carries then the guy in second (Steven Jackson) he has 7 runs over 40 yards the most any one else has is 4.

I know I'm just wasting my time since it will go to a QB like always just saying.
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The award is for MOST VALUABLE player.

That leaves two real options, Manning and Brees. No other players are more valuable to their teams and the two teams are undefeated.

Manning wins because he is manning unless Brees blows him out of the water....or they could share it.
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