Best WR in the NFC East? - Page 8

FreshBoy! · 12-22-2009, 01:26 PM

I agree....I'm not disputing that, just more or less saying, it's the only thing that can't be argued.Haha, whatever...again I don't feel strongly about it to argue. I'm a fan of Austin, and think he's a legit #1, Desean looks to be that too...I just hope our secondary can stop Desean, and their secondary can't stop Austin.

LonghornsLegend · 12-22-2009, 01:31 PM

Well if were looking at the Pro Bowl, both guys should make it I believe, with Fitzgerald and Sidney Rice, at least those look like a solid top 4.

I don't know why people want to keep beating this dead horse between these two, both put up pro bowl stats, both are really good. Arguing over who runs better routes or catches better is always going to have the homer come out in people.

Todd Bertuzzi · 12-22-2009, 01:49 PM

If you were starting a team right now and age was not a factor, which receiver would you take out of Jackson and Austin? I'm going Jackson 10 times out of 10.

D-Unit · 12-22-2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Bertuzzi

If you were starting a team right now and age was not a factor, which receiver would you take out of Jackson and Austin? I'm going Jackson 10 times out of 10.

Interesting take. I would go with Jackson because I could find another guy similar to Austin. Jackson's speed and deep threat ability are special. That doesn't mean I don't think Austin is more well-rounded, because he is. But if I'm looking for that Y receiver, Jackson is at the top of the list. If I'm looking for an X receiver, Jackson is way down.

Supporting Caste · 12-22-2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Bertuzzi

If you were starting a team right now and age was not a factor, which receiver would you take out of Jackson and Austin? I'm going Jackson 10 times out of 10.

This really adds nothing to the argument.

Supporting Caste · 12-22-2009, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by D-Unit

You people should know that stats don't make the player. Based on ability & attributes, how would you grade them?

Size:
Speed:
Catching:
Route Running:
Physicality:
Blocking:

Austin

Size: 8.5
Speed: 9.2
Catching: 8.5
Route Running: 9.0
Physicality: 8.5
Blocking: 8.5
Elusiveness: 9.5

Jackson

Size: 6.0
Speed: 9.8
Catching: 9.0
Route Running: 9.0
Physicality: 6.0
Blocking: 7.5
Elusiveness: 10.0

This little game is fun, but it's not exactly scientific.

scottyboy · 12-22-2009, 09:16 PM

Steve Smith's all like "oh hai guyz" and everyone's like "es tee ef you". you lead the NFC in receptions and your QB looks like he has downs lolz. you suck.

Todd Bertuzzi · 12-22-2009, 09:20 PM

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to scottyboy again.

Go_Eagles77 · 12-22-2009, 09:25 PM

Steve Smith is like Wes Welker, great slot receiver and will move the chains and rack up catches for you, but lacks the ability to be a consistent big play threat thus he doesn't get much hype.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-22-2009, 10:09 PM

Smith has a higher YPC than Boldin and Fitz this year. Just sayin'.

Todd Bertuzzi · 12-22-2009, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

Smith has a higher YPC than Boldin and Fitz this year. Just sayin'.

Well judging by YPC Jackson is the greatest receiver of all time.

superman8456 · 12-22-2009, 11:25 PM

Only way for this to be determined is if we asked all the DB's in the NFL which WR would they least like to cover in the NFL, and since thats not happening, it's fairly useless. I would love to see a poll on that though.

Forenci · 12-22-2009, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Bertuzzi

Well judging by YPC Jackson is the greatest receiver of all time.

I don't think he's trying to say having a high YPC makes you the best WR ever, I just think he's trying to say for a guy like Steve Smith who doesn't get a lot of hype due to lack of 'big playability' he averages more yards per catch than two guys who are known for their big/spectacular catches.

Clearly Smith isn't Boldin or Fitz, but the idea he's just a slot receiver who makes short catches and falls down after gaining a couple yards isn't true either.

scottyboy · 12-22-2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by superman8456

Only way for this to be determined is if we asked all the DB's in the NFL which WR would they least like to cover in the NFL, and since thats not happening, it's fairly useless. I would love to see a poll on that though.

that doesn't make sense at all either. Obviously a smaller shiftier CB is going to want to deal with a small shiftier WR instead of a big physical one, so that point is moot.

Giantsfan1080 · 12-22-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

I don't think he's trying to say having a high YPC makes you the best WR ever, I just think he's trying to say for a guy like Steve Smith who doesn't get a lot of hype due to lack of 'big playability' he averages more yards per catch than two guys who are known for their big/spectacular catches.

Clearly Smith isn't Boldin or Fitz, but the idea he's just a slot receiver who makes short catches and falls down after gaining a couple yards isn't true either.

Thank You Forenci. This is in fact what I meant.

nrcirc · 12-23-2009, 12:01 AM

Route Running = Austin - more receptions and first down
Elusiveness = Austin - over 40% more yards YAC than Jackson

scottyboy · 12-23-2009, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nrcirc

Route Running = Austin - more receptions and first down
Elusiveness = Austin - over 40% more yards YAC than Jackson

well that's because Desean ran passed everyone and caught the ball on the 5 freaking yard line. that's a stupid stat and you can't honestly believe Miles is more elusive than Desean. That's abusrd.

nrcirc · 12-23-2009, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

well that's because Desean ran passed everyone and caught the ball on the 5 freaking yard line. that's a stupid stat and you can't honestly believe Miles is more elusive than Desean. That's abusrd.

Yes, I am. If you are looking for speed, without question, Jackson is faster, but elusive is not only for speed in NFL, and Austin is very good at keeping the defender in a distant by using his hand and know where to run.

herniateddisc · 12-23-2009, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

well that's because Desean ran passed everyone and caught the ball on the 5 freaking yard line. that's a stupid stat and you can't honestly believe Miles is more elusive than Desean. That's abusrd.

DeSean is more the jitterbug CLEARLY but he can be jammed and when also properly doubled near useless.

DeSean is in the perfect role on the perfect Offense with a QB who throws a great deep ball.

Put DeSean on San Diego and he is a shell of what he is in the WCO.

Damix · 12-23-2009, 08:06 AM

herniateddisc has a good point of system and players around them. I believe Santana Moss puts up everything Jackson has given the same opportunities on the Eagles.

That's why these arguments rarely work. I can say Nicks>Hixon because they've both played the same position in the same offense, on the same team and Nicks has outperformed Hixon. But if we go back in time and do everything the same with Nicks, and then go back in time again and do everything the same with Miles, who knows puts up the better numbers.

A lot of these talented recievers look even more talented because they are afforded to opportunity.

herniateddisc · 12-23-2009, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Damix

A lot of these talented recievers look even more talented because they are afforded to opportunity.

.... look at Miles Austin in Dallas. The whole way Mgmt did things and it took an injury to get them to WAKE UP.

Lots of coaches and GM who can't project performance or development and if not for injuries or major issues arising .... never give talented players opportunities.

superman8456 · 12-23-2009, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by scottyboy

that doesn't make sense at all either. Obviously a smaller shiftier CB is going to want to deal with a small shiftier WR instead of a big physical one, so that point is moot.

You dont think asking the actual players that Miles Austin and DeSean play against is the best way to figure it out? Arguing of the internet is the most efficient, really?

superman8456 · 12-23-2009, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by nrcirc

Yes, I am. If you are looking for speed, without question, Jackson is faster, but elusive is not only for speed in NFL, and Austin is very good at keeping the defender in a distant by using his hand and know where to run.

How do you think a 5'10, 160 pound WR lasts in the NFL? By being elusive. Let's be honest, how many big hits do you think his body can take? He is elusive as hell. He has to be for his own good.

Damix · 12-23-2009, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by superman8456

You dont think asking the actual players that Miles Austin and DeSean play against is the best way to figure it out? Arguing of the internet is the most efficient, really?

I'd like you to point out where he says resolving this on a message board is the most efficient way to resolve this.

The point is there is no way to decide between the two that will be universally agreed upon.

bigbluedefense · 12-23-2009, 10:22 AM

I think DeSean would thrive in any scheme. He's just a playmaker through and through. I do agree that he's used perfectly in Philly though. Reid definitely uses him right.

To be fair though, Austin is in the perfect scheme for his capabilities as well. Both fit their schemes perfectly.

You can say the same for Steve Smith.

All these WRs are great and do exactly what their teams ask of them. I think we can all agree on that. Me personally, if I could have 1 of these guys to start my team with, I'm going DeSean no questions asked.

Thats taking nothing away from the rest of them though.