Austin's Contract

[herniateddisc]

Taking bets ...

5 Years @ $8MM per with $25 upfront?

[M.O.T.H.]

Extremely difficult to predict because, of the demise of the labor agreement. Austin wont even be an unrestricted FA anymore, he'll still be restricted.

Adam Schefter was saying today that he doesnt believe an agreement will be met so, things are going to get messy with an uncapped year. A lot of guys who were supposed to be unrestricted will be restricted. So a lot of guys expecting to bank in will not be doing so.

This would actually become the norm in the NFL with no cap. Players stay restricted for longer so, the FA pool would be thin. So those players that hit the FA pool are going to be grossly over paid for. And the smaller market teams dont have to spend a penny if they dont want to, while Jerry and Snyder go the way of the Yankees and Red Sox. And this would piss me off like no other. Baseball's situation is awful...I pray it doesnt come to this but, Schefter certainly thinks it's going to happen.

[D-Unit]

I'm not an expert on what's going to happen. But it would really surprise me if the owners went into it like the wild wild west... spending like there's no tomorrow. Eventually the cap will return and owners will still have to account for the money spent. They'll shoot themselves in the foot if they go overboard. I think naturally the money will be more, just like it's more and more EVERY year... but that players will benefit more from contracts being FRONT LOADED rather than BACK LOADED.

[M.O.T.H.]

Most believe that if it goes uncapped, the cap may never return. While players think an uncapped situation favors them, it favors the owners more. Neither will be rushing to get a cap back. It could become very similar to baseball...huge market teams get everyone and anyone that is available and some of the smaller market teams have a minimum spending limit they'll sit at. It's the worse thing that could happen to football.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

Most believe that if it goes uncapped, the cap may never return. While players think an uncapped situation favors them, it favors the owners more. Neither will be rushing to get a cap back. It could become very similar to baseball...huge market teams get everyone and anyone that is available and some of the smaller market teams have a minimum spending limit they'll sit at. It's the worse thing that could happen to football.

Most? Who is "most"? The players will give in. Why? Because only a few (the stars) will benefit from no cap, while the majority won't. In fact, the majority probably be paid less. There's a reason why the NFL went from an uncapped situation to a capped one, in the first place.

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Most? Who is "most"? The players will give in. Why? Because only a few (the stars) will benefit from no cap, while the majority won't. In fact, the majority probably be paid less. There's a reason why the NFL went from an uncapped situation to a capped one, in the first place.

Whenever it's discussed, everyone seems to think that this is the way the NFL is going to end up. Even Schefter today, eluded to as much. There has been no progress in CBA talks according Schefter and it doesnt look great down the line either at the moment. Yes the players want an agreement, but they're extremely far apart on the matter. Jerry got fined a few months ago when he talked about how he expects the league to go uncapped and stay uncapped.

And as for a one year uncapped year...I dont think we would spend like crazy either. You have to be careful that year, just in case. I only brought it up because, you dont even have to re-sign Miles to a lengthy deal if there is no cap. Technically, he'd still be able to be tendered because, the restriction rules change. So, it's very tough to say what's going to happen when talking about Miles. He's not going anywhere but, his contract is certainly up in the air.

[LonghornsLegend]

Austin is averaging 19.6 yards a catch right now. The most Randy Moss ever averaged is 19 his rookie year, and 18.7 in another, that's a pretty ridiculous rate Austin is going at now, wonder if he can actually finish above 19. Not sure of the numbers but there haven't been many to finish that high with an abundance of targets/catches.


Something I've been following the past month or so, he also has 8 TD's which is nearly leading the league. He sure is making a case to get paid I do know that and there is no doubt at this point he's our #1 WR and will be paid accordingly. At least if there is no cap we can get away with not paying for giving Roy that much money.


I wonder how sick some of us would have been if Austin was doing this for the Jets and we had a 2nd round pick that was injured or not panning out lol.

[M.O.T.H.]

With our luck, that 2nd round pick would have joined the rest of our rookies who are on IR.

[D-Unit]

Affording Miles isn't going to be a problem. Everyone thinks the Cowboys will be one of the teams who benefit most from the uncapped year anyways.

I hope Stephen Jones restructures Roy's contract though.

My bet on Austin... 5 years... starts off at $5M that escalates to 7M.

[M.O.T.H.]

It wont be a problem but if you can tender him, they'd probably rather do that then shell out a giant multi-million deal, capped or uncapped. And an uncapped year makes him eligible for another tender. Schefter was going over all this crap today...gah the league is going to change so much. I just hope it doesnt stay that way.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

With our luck, that 2nd round pick would have joined the rest of our rookies who are on IR.

Nah, Jerry would've traded it for 2 5ths. LOL. I really hate what he did in the last draft. All 3 safeties...Delmas, Sean Smith, Jairus Byrd are doing REALLY well. My fav... Maualuga is tearin' it up for the revamped Bengals D.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

It wont be a problem but if you can tender him, they'd probably rather do that then shell out a giant multi-million deal, capped or uncapped. And an uncapped year makes him eligible for another tender. Schefter was going over all this crap today...gah the league is going to change so much. I just hope it doesnt stay that way.

What did he say about the draft? Will it be like baseball's as well? Eric Berry to Dallas at pick 28?

Thing I don't like about tenders is that you can be trapped into paying him more. Look at how the Seahawks lost Hutchinson. They tried to low ball him and then lost him when he got too expensive. Might as well agree to something than have another team dictate the cost. Outside of Roy's contract Stephen Jones has done an outstanding job handling contracts.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Nah, Jerry would've traded it for 2 5ths. LOL. I really hate what he did in the last draft. All 3 safeties...Delmas, Sean Smith, Jairus Byrd are doing REALLY well. My fav... Maualuga is tearin' it up for the revamped Bengals D.

You were really high on Byrd early in the process, and he's been amazing this year, literally. Haven't checked up on your boy from Tech to see how he's doing in Denver, but Byrd has been a steal and looks like he can make the all-pro team. Who knew he had those type of ball skills, well maybe you did but damn had I known he would of even been half this good this soon I would of been on board with you lol.


Smith we should have taken too, that one was hard to swallow for me.

[M.O.T.H.]

I wanted Delmas in the worst way...didnt have a shot at him, though. We could have realistically came away with Sean Smith and Jason Williams. That would have been great in my book.

Adding a versatile guy like Smith would have been a fantastic pick.

[M.O.T.H.]

Originally Posted by D-Unit

What did he say about the draft? Will it be like baseball's as well? Eric Berry to Dallas at pick 28?

Thing I don't like about tenders is that you can be trapped into paying him more. Look at how the Seahawks lost Hutchinson. They tried to low ball him and then lost him when he got too expensive. Might as well agree to something than have another team dictate the cost. Outside of Roy's contract Stephen Jones has done an outstanding job handling contracts.

He didnt bring up the draft...I dont know what would happen. It better not resemble baseball's draft, what a freaking joke that is.

Seriously, the smaller market teams normally cant even risk taking the best player because, that player wont sign. It's a garbage set up.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by M.O.T.H.

I wanted Delmas in the worst way.

I did too, I just figured it wasn't realistic unless we traded up which we easily could have. But then Hamlin has alot of money tied up in our team, so we would have basically had to axe him the very next season, and I guess we weren't ready to make a move up for a Safety when we wanted to see what Hamlin was going ot do this year.


Speaking of which, haven't noticed a drop off with him gone either, which I didn't expect at all. I want Sensabaugh back, and with this uncapped situation it could be possible, but he's just got some range and playmaking ability that we sorely needed back there.

[D-Unit]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I did too, I just figured it wasn't realistic unless we traded up which we easily could have. But then Hamlin has alot of money tied up in our team, so we would have basically had to axe him the very next season, and I guess we weren't ready to make a move up for a Safety when we wanted to see what Hamlin was going ot do this year.


Speaking of which, haven't noticed a drop off with him gone either, which I didn't expect at all. I want Sensabaugh back, and with this uncapped situation it could be possible, but he's just got some range and playmaking ability that we sorely needed back there.

Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't even realize it. We are playing well without Hamlin.

[M.O.T.H.]

Ball is so bad, though. So we'll be that much better when we upgrade at the position.

[herniateddisc]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

I did too, I just figured it wasn't realistic unless we traded up which we easily could have. But then Hamlin has alot of money tied up in our team, so we would have basically had to axe him the very next season, and I guess we weren't ready to make a move up for a Safety when we wanted to see what Hamlin was going ot do this year. Speaking of which, haven't noticed a drop off with him gone either, which I didn't expect at all.

Not expected given all the critiques by this Board?

You really feel that?

Originally Posted by D-Unit

Yeah, that's a good point. I didn't even realize it. We are playing well without Hamlin.

Originally Posted by herniateddisc

My game notes ...

8) Did we miss Ken Hamlin? No? Yeah, cut him too. Another loser who is so easily replaced as to be sickening. ....

You could read my posts and be ahead of the curve too! In fact, I think LL does all the time in spite of his repeated denials.

Hope the Turkey went down smooth.

[M.O.T.H.]

Bob, people have been bashing Kenny Hamlin for a looooooong time, man. It started last year.

Even after the Sensabaugh signing in March a lot of us still wanted to go S because, it was a question mark with those two. Hamlin had a down year after the new contract and everyone was aware. I wanted Delmas, Johnson, or Smith. Some others wanted them as well, Mcbath's name was thrown around, Chung, Byrd, etc.

[LonghornsLegend]

Originally Posted by herniateddisc

Not expected given all the critiques by this Board?

You really feel that?





You could read my posts and be ahead of the curve too! In fact, I think LL does all the time in spite of his repeated denials.

Hope the Turkey went down smooth.

What do you want, more credit for something? Someone to pat you on the head and tell you 'good job Bob'? The only time I read your post are when you get quoted or when someone responds to you directly. I didn't know I had any "repeated denials", but of course your arrogance is always on full force and always makes you believe you were the first to come to any conclusion about this team before anyone else, and you HAVE to make everyone try and tell you that you were so right about it. That's a little pathetic to me.


Your on my ignore list with more then 3 names, I really don't care if you think your that special or not, but I'd rather not argue with you about the same silly topics every single week. Nor am I interested in reading anything you have to say so you can run around like a little kid telling everyone how right you were and how you said this before and beating it into everyone's head over and over for constant praise.

[D-Unit]

Classic Bob. Sometimes I wonder how many potential new posters you've turned away with the way you speak about yourself and talk down upon others.

[Modano]

According to Rotoworld, Hamlin's contract makes hime easy cutable this offseason.

[herniateddisc]

Originally Posted by LonghornsLegend

What do you want, more credit for something? Someone to pat you on the head and tell you 'good job Bob'? The only time I read your post are when you get quoted or when someone responds to you directly. I didn't know I had any "repeated denials", but of course your arrogance is always on full force and always makes you believe you were the first to come to any conclusion about this team before anyone else, and you HAVE to make everyone try and tell you that you were so right about it. That's a little pathetic to me.


Your on my ignore list with more then 3 names, I really don't care if you think your that special or not, but I'd rather not argue with you about the same silly topics every single week. Nor am I interested in reading anything you have to say so you can run around like a little kid telling everyone how right you were and how you said this before and beating it into everyone's head over and over for constant praise.

If you are responding then at least answer the question, are you really surprised we played as well without him then with him??

I was not taking credit for anything about Hamlin -- read the post carefully. I was calling into account D-Unit giving LL credit for something very specific which I pointed out earlier.

But, no I am certainly not the only person to call out his play since last year. So don't put words in my mouth.

Good day.

[D-Unit]

Like Moth said, bashing Hamlin isn't new. But it's one thing to bash him and think you're right... And another thing when he's out of the game and we realize that our bashing was justified. LL pointed out the later. I simply said that he made a good point. It's laughable that you made a fuss about the credit not being sourced back to you. *shakes head*