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Old 12-06-2009, 06:39 PM    (permalink
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Top Tier for me would Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis, and London Fletcher. I'm a big fan of Fletcher because he has been great his whole career. He hasnt missed a game his whole career, which is pretty impressive for a 5'10 undrafted LB.

Stewart Bradley would be in this thread if he didnt have that knee injury to start the season.
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Probably between E.J. Henderson, Chad Greenway, or Ben Leber.
Those guys are 5, 6 and 7 for me. Robert "Domestic Terrorist" Ayers, Pat Willis and Demarcus Ware round out the top 10 for me.
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I still think Willis is overrated, his coverage ability isn't all that.
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I still think Willis is overrated, his coverage ability isn't all that.
I dont think he's any worse than most any other ILBs besides maybe Urlacher.
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Beason is better in coverage than Willis*

*Willis is better in other facets
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WOLB - DeMarcus Ware
SILB - Patrick Willis
WILB - Jarrod Mayo
SOLB - Lamar Woodley

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SAM - Brian Cushing
MIKE - Curtis Lofton?
WILL - Lance Briggs

4-3 MIKE wouldve been Stewart Bradley if he didn't blow out his knee before the season started.
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It's alarming how there isn't even a mention of London Fletcher with all of the names I have seen in this thread. IMO he is the best sideline to sideline tackler in the game right now despite being inferior to guys like Willis and Beason athletically. Fletcher just knows how to shed off blockers and how to take angles. He's honestly in on every single tackle. And this isn't just a product of having Albert in front of it because he's been top 5 in the league in tackling every year this decade and the past 3 with the Skins he's had a horrific D-line. He's also surprising fluid in coverage and only really struggles when facing top notch hybrid TE's. For a guy who has the most tackles this decade it's still shocking to me how he's never made a pro bowl and still doesn't get much respect. I mean the guy since he came in the league in 98 has more tackles than Ray Lewis who is considered a top 5 LB all time. If he ends up out playing Ray by a couple of years he could end up having more career tackles in less years, and still have never made a pro bowl. There is so much wrong with the Skins but I think he deserves credit for being the one constant on every team he's been with. It's incredible but he's almost playing better now than even when he was in his "prime" with the Rams and Bills. I know a lot of him not getting any pub has to do with him being an undrafted player, coming from D3 John Carroll, and being 5-9" stumpy and not having a 4.4 forty yard dash, but the guy is a flat out baller. Ray might have better pieces around him but I'd argue that at this point them being the same age London is performing at a higher level. Ray is at times a step slow now but Fletcher still is pounding guys every single play, no plays off.
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Tackles are one of the most meaningless stats in professional sports, right up there with QB rating and saves in baseball.
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Fletcher is really good but we're talking about the BEST, which he clearly isn't.

Anyone who doesn't mention James Harrison, however, is being a bit silly.
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Everyone talks about Fletcher being the most underrated, but I ask, "How can a guy be so underrated when everyone says he's underrated?"

A guy that gets no recognition and can do just about anything on the field is Karlos Dansby. Dude is a stud and easily one of the better ILBs in the game. That is an underrated LB.

I don't consider DeMarcus Ware, a DE, an OLB, but he's better than each and every LB in the NFL, and its not even close.
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No one gonna mention Demeco Ryans? Granted I don't get to watch a lot of Texans football but I thought that guy was a player. Also Jerod Mayo deserves better than to get a "oh yeah" mention in page 3 of this thread.
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Not saying he's the best but Curtis Lofton has been very impressive. I really thought he should have been a first rounder when he came out. People kept knocking him down because of his height and lack of top end athleticism but everybody knew he was going to be a tackling machine once he got in the league.
This. Read my location, he's been the NFL's leading tackler up until this past week for a reason, and is a one man wrecking crew on the Falcon's defense... literally. He's on of those up and coming players that you will keep hearing about for the next 7-8 years. Other than him I think Patrick Willis, Ray Lewis and London Fletcher-Baker are obvious choices, but I also like DeMarcus Ware, James Harrison, and Jon Beason. Don't forget great young 3-4 inside backers in Jerod Mayo and David Harris. Not quite yet but Brian Cushing will be mentioned here in the next couple years, he's been a stud thus far for Houston.

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Other than Demarcus Ware and James Harrison I can't think of anyone.
Dumervil has only played 12 games as a linebacker. I think we need to give him another 20 games (which should equate to about 25 to 30 more sacks) at that position before he can come into this discussion. I think he is easily the best rookie OLB in the NFL though.
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Haha, why is it that threads like this always results in homers getting butthurt when their 5-10 range guy doesn't get mentioned as potentially best in the league?

Like, it'd be one thing if guys like Fletcher, Lofton and Ryans didn't get mentioned in a top 10 ILB discussion (and it would never happen), but it's another to suggest something is wrong when no one boldly calls them the best.
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If Flecther isnt the number 1 ILB in the leauge he is number 2
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on page one of this thread someone asked how Dumervil fits in with the best OLBs right now. I was merely pointing out that he has only played 12 games as an OLB. Generally people want to see a larger sample size than that before even considering someone as the best at a particular position. Dumervil is fantastic at rushing the QB, but the Broncos try and make sure he doesnt have to do much more than that. He is definitely still learning the position.
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It's alarming how there isn't even a mention of London Fletcher with all of the names I have seen in this thread. IMO he is the best sideline to sideline tackler in the game right now despite being inferior to guys like Willis and Beason athletically. Fletcher just knows how to shed off blockers and how to take angles. He's honestly in on every single tackle. And this isn't just a product of having Albert in front of it because he's been top 5 in the league in tackling every year this decade and the past 3 with the Skins he's had a horrific D-line. He's also surprising fluid in coverage and only really struggles when facing top notch hybrid TE's. For a guy who has the most tackles this decade it's still shocking to me how he's never made a pro bowl and still doesn't get much respect. I mean the guy since he came in the league in 98 has more tackles than Ray Lewis who is considered a top 5 LB all time. If he ends up out playing Ray by a couple of years he could end up having more career tackles in less years, and still have never made a pro bowl. There is so much wrong with the Skins but I think he deserves credit for being the one constant on every team he's been with. It's incredible but he's almost playing better now than even when he was in his "prime" with the Rams and Bills. I know a lot of him not getting any pub has to do with him being an undrafted player, coming from D3 John Carroll, and being 5-9" stumpy and not having a 4.4 forty yard dash, but the guy is a flat out baller. Ray might have better pieces around him but I'd argue that at this point them being the same age London is performing at a higher level. Ray is at times a step slow now but Fletcher still is pounding guys every single play, no plays off.
they're both tackling machines but take a look at rays interception and sack totals....add in the intangibles and lfb just doesnt stack up....rays one of the best players of all times.
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No one gonna mention Demeco Ryans? Granted I don't get to watch a lot of Texans football but I thought that guy was a player. Also Jerod Mayo deserves better than to get a "oh yeah" mention in page 3 of this thread.
Been outplayed by rookie Brian Cushing this year, but he's still a very good player.
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No one gonna mention Demeco Ryans? Granted I don't get to watch a lot of Texans football but I thought that guy was a player. Also Jerod Mayo deserves better than to get a "oh yeah" mention in page 3 of this thread.
i don't think anybody thinks Mayo or Ryans are the two best LBs....but i could be wrong
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I still think Willis is overrated, his coverage ability isn't all that.
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