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Old 12-14-2009, 08:15 PM    (permalink
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So what do you guys think about this kid? Just barley averaging 3 yards. I know he doesn't have any help at all on the offense, but do you guys ever think he will become anything? Should the Raiders trade him? How much could they even get for him?

In almost 30 games he has rushed over a 100 yards once, and 50 yards twice.

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I'm not ready to give up on him he might not ever live up to the hype but I still feel he will end up having a solid career.
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Why would you ask this right after he put up 95 total yards on the Redskins?
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So what do you guys think about this kid? Just barley averaging 3 yards. I know he doesn't have any help at all on the offense, but do you guys ever think he will become anything? Should the Raiders trade him? How much could they even get for him?

In almost 30 games he has rushed over a 100 yards once, and 50 yards twice.
I think he's on a Cedric Benson sort of career track. He's got talent
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He may never become a great RB but I think he can become a weapon in the passing game coming out of the backfield.
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Why would you ask this right after he put up 95 total yards on the Redskins?
He had one nice catch for 50 yards. And averaged 2 yards a carry for 20 yards. He hasn't gone over 25 yards in 11 weeks.
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Darren McFadden has never looked like Darren McFadden since coming into the league.

He looks like Ki-Jana Carter after all his knee injuries when he came back with the Saints briefly... just a shell of himself.

Maybe people were onto something with his little legs
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He had one nice catch for 50 yards. And averaged 2 yards a carry for 20 yards. He hasn't gone over 25 yards in 11 weeks.
More accurately, he torched LaRon Landry twice in the first quarter for a total of 74 yards.

My point is that he's been battling injuries since last year and just made his first semi-healthy start in a long while and all he did was be Oakland's best offensive producer on the day. Oakland's offense in the second worst in the NFL. Were you expecting him to rush for 100?
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More accurately, he torched LaRon Landry twice in the first quarter for a total of 74 yards.

My point is that he's been battling injuries since last year and just made his first semi-healthy start in a long while and all he did was be Oakland's best offensive producer on the day. Oakland's offense in the second worst in the NFL. Were you expecting him to rush for 100?
No, I just don't believe he will ever be able to succeed in the Raiders offense.
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No, I just don't believe he will ever be able to succeed in the Raiders offense.
The way it is now? With JaMarcus Russell leading it? No argument there. I don't believe anyone will be able to succeed in that offense.
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The way it is now? With JaMarcus Russell leading it? No argument there. I don't believe anyone will be able to succeed in that offense.
It comes down to more then that. No offensive line, no wide receivers, no quarterback, and no other offensive talent after Zach Miller. The play calling is horrible too. I believe he has to find a way out of there. Getting hit before you get the ball every play isn't going to help his injury history, which is going to lead to him never becoming anybody.
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Right. But what is the point of this thread?

To discuss how talented players on hopeless teams don't produce like we were expecting? What a shock. Furthermore, what was everyone expecting from McFadden anyhow? It wasn't like we all couldn't see he wasn't a powerback coming out of Arkansas. It wasn't like it wasn't fairly clear that he needed to be a successful zone-blocking rush system to maximize his potential as a runner.

Moreover, here are his career numbers...

10 starts, 239 touches, 1225 yards, 5.1 YPT, 5 TD

and here are Michael Bush's career numbers...

7 starts, 213 touches, 1052 yards, 4.9 YPT, 5 TD

and here are Justin Fargas' number the last two years...

17 starts, 371 touches, 1501 yards, 4.0 YPT, 4 TD

Based on that, besides for injuries, I don't see anyway you can't conclude that McFadden hasn't been Oakland's most productive tailback. So what's the point of this thread?
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McFadden, Russell, DHB.....who's doing the drafting there?
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Just wait until next year. They're going to finally get the last piece to the puzzle.
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As far as I'm concerned the Cowboys might've had the Super Bowl winning triplets, but the Raiders have themselves something special. They have the NFL combine winning triplets, you tell me whats better...
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He's running behind a porous line. He'll be fine when the talent matches the solid coaching on the line.
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i was in complete agreement with mike mayocks assessment on mcfadden of his lack of strength and he has done NOTHING to prove otherwise... i dont think ive ever seen him break a tackle. He gets dropped with arm tackles. His big games have been when the the wholes have been massive and he can just use his speed, but this league aint just about speed.
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McFadden's game was always getting to the second level and controlling angles and using his stiff-arm to keep defenders off (which still work, ask LaRon Landry). Didn't take a genius to know that if the offensive line couldn't get McFadden to the second level he wasn't going to morph into a steamroller.
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I'm not buying the whole blame the offensive line theory. I mean the Packers offensive line isn't the greatest yet Ryan Grant is doing pretty good. It just seems like the Raiders draft picks take a few years to develop, i.e. Robert Gallery, Nnamdi Asomugha, and Michael Huff. When you look at it too the Raiders are actually pretty good at finding talent minus the 1st round. Kirk Morrison, Thomas Howard, Trevor Scott, Zach Miller, Louis Murphy, and Chaz Schilens are guys I wouldn't mind on my team. If I were the Raiders I'd trade out of the 1st round every year until Al Davis dies.
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Runningbacks are as good as their O-line allows them to be. Doesn't matter how special a back is, if he's constantly getting hit before his feet can really get going, he'll look mediocre.

Injuries aren't helping either.
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We arent using him right. He isnt a dive RB, we need to use him on runs off tackle. He has looked good at WR too. Id love to get the QB coach from Miami and have him as our OC. We need to use the wildcat alot more.
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I think he needs a better team to play on.
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I think McFadden was a product of the "Wildhog" offense. In fact, it was the Razorback's scheme that inspired the NFL to pick it up and use it in sub-packages. It was in that scheme that played to McFadden's strength as a runner.

This begs the question: would it be smart for Oakland to scrap the passing attack at the moment (or lack thereof) and go with a scheme that plays to their personnel? I think so, but Al Davis would never abandon the "vertical passing attack."
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Originally Posted by RaiderNation View Post
We arent using him right. He isnt a dive RB, we need to use him on runs off tackle. He has looked good at WR too. Id love to get the QB coach from Miami and have him as our OC. We need to use the wildcat alot more.
There's plenty of 3 and 4 holes running plays that McFadden had success running last year. Problem is, the offensive line isn't up blocking them this time around.
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