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Old 12-15-2009, 04:27 PM    (permalink
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Dream scenario for me is if we get Holmgren ditch Mangini switch to a 4-3 draft Suh and roll with a DL that consists of Williams/Rogers/Suh/Robaire Smith with Rubin alternating in.
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I would not be at all surprised if breaking the losing streak against the Steelers buys Mangini another year no matter what happens with the GM spot.
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Dream scenario for me is if we get Holmgren ditch Mangini switch to a 4-3 draft Suh and roll with a DL that consists of Williams/Rogers/Suh/Robaire Smith with Rubin alternating in.
a 330 pound Williams at DE? good luck.
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a 330 pound Williams at DE? good luck.
He could play DT and Suh could play DE
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Gruden would command a lot of money. The Browns would already be paying Crennel, Mangini and Holgrem would need a decent amount. Thats a whole lot of money going to the coaching staff, Cleveland isn't a huge revenue team like Dallas or Washington.
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Apparently Holmgren's agent is also in Cleveland and Cowherd is implying there was a hire today.
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:27 PM    (permalink
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Holmgren not on Seattle's list.

Browns offer Holmgren $10M
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could snyder be keeping zorn around with the idea of bringing in holmgren now with him????
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He could play DT and Suh could play DE
I don't think you would want to waste Suh's talent and place him at DE in a 4-3.
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I don't think you would want to waste Suh's talent and place him at DE in a 4-3.
Fine, draft Eric Berry and roll with Wimbley, Williams, Rogers, R.Smith

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Fine, draft Eric Berry and roll with Wimbley, Williams, Rogers, R.Smith

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If that's all we'll be rollin with we are in deep **** still.

Until we get an impact LB, inside or out, we'll just be average.

For the record, I'm all for Eric Berry on the Browns. Even over Suh. Now everyone come yell blasphemy.
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Dream scenario for me is if we get Holmgren ditch Mangini switch to a 4-3 draft Suh and roll with a DL that consists of Williams/Rogers/Suh/Robaire Smith with Rubin alternating in.
kinda sliding off topic a bit...but i think the four man front with our current personnel would be

DE-Matt Roth
DT-Williams, Smith
DT-Rogers, Rubin
DE-Kenyon Coleman (Wimbley on passing downs)

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WLB-Jackson
MLB-Barton
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kinda sliding off topic a bit...but i think the four man front with our current personnel would be

DE-Matt Roth
DT-Williams, Smith
DT-Rogers, Rubin
DE-Kenyon Coleman (Wimbley on passing downs)

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WLB-Jackson
MLB-Barton
SLB-Wimbley
The only reason I brought it up was because I thought Holmgren would move to a 4-3
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yeah, i figure if we hire Holmgreen then he'd bring in a coach who (chances are) would employ a 4-3 defense. That's probably what the four man front would be if we were to switch to the 4-3 without adding any new players. If we do go 4-3 then DE becomes a big need, as was talked about last offseason a lot before we hired Mangini.
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Yeah it'll be interesting to see how we transition into a 4-3 as well as who stays and who goes.

I'm anxious to see Corey Williams get a legit shot in the 4-3.
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I personally would hate switching to a 4-3. We don't have the ends for it and we're very close to having the personal to run the 3-4.

Move Rogers to DE were he belongs and put the only true NT in Rubin in the middle.

DE - Rogers
DT - Rubin
DE - Smith/Coleman

OLB - Roth
MLB - Barton
MLB - Jackson
OLB - Wimbley

If Williams is still here he would make a great NT on obvious passing downs and we can even go with an all LB front like we did against Pitt with Roth at NT.

True Wimbley doesn't get as many sacks from a pass-rushing OLB as you'd like, but with the personal we have now along with Ryan's schemes, I think our defense is definitely improving.
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That would be hella unfair to Mangini as I am one of the few people who think that he did a pretty good job this year.
He traded away Winslow/Edwards purged our roster and brought in a bunch of Jets and had us to the worst point we've ever been to since coming back.

There are reasons why he doesn't deserve to be coaching next year, just because he managed to beat pittsburgh once doesn't make him a good coach.
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I had no problem with trading Winslow and Braylon (I loved both moves) but Mangini has been awful.
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I had no problem with trading Winslow and Braylon (I loved both moves) but Mangini has been awful.
You loved getting rid of Winslow and Edwards for...

Massaquoi, Trusnik, Stuckie, 3rd round pick.

Yeah, me too....
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That's not all...The Miami Dolphins team plane is currently at Burke Airport. There's 2 rumors circulating that Parcells is interviewing or that Parcells is helping Lerner with the interview (the latter being more likely).



Mangini has actually been getting a lot of support from his players lately.
Just the other day Corey Williams was yelling "We want Holmgren! We want Holmgren!"
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