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I blame him for Sanchez starting off looking like a look for the OROY and then flopping for the rest of the year and I think the further Schottenheimer is from Sanchez, the more likely he won't bust.

I blame him for Kellen Clemens going from being one of the fastest rising QB prospects in the 2006 draft to a QB..... well, I've rarely seen an NFL quarterback look that lost behind center as Clemens did this year after Sanchez got hurt.

The analogy I use is he looked like the football was some alien artifact he had no idea what to do with.

I blame Brian Schottenheimer for Clemens busting and I blame him for Sanchez underwhelming performance for most of the year. As long as he's here, the Jets aren't going to have a passing game.

It was Sanchez's fault that he struggled. First 3 games, Scotty gave him easy offense and he was too smart to screw up. Sanchez got rattled against Dolphins and Saints because he never saw that kind of game before. He just lost his mind or focus as a result, he struggled to absorb the offense plays. Ryan decided to code color so Sanchez wont make mistakes on certain plays Scotty wanted to call for. Unfortunately, accuracy has been the reason Sanchez made mistakes lately.

20 Int in rookie is not a bad, really. Thanked to heavy run game and sharper stunts in defense. He is average when you want him to be next Ryan or Flacco but he is still solid for qb who had one full season as a starter under belt in college. He has long way to be a premier qb. Blame Schotty for that? oh please.


Ryan was really an idiot when he called Sanchez as our next Flacco but he was uncanny rookie HC. Schotty has done good job and I will be pissed off if he is gone before Jets reach the Super Bowl game.
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The fact is, currently, when he's on the field you should know what to expect. And the more snaps you give him, the more you take away from Sanchez and your receivers.
I fail to see the problem here.
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Who would want your franchise top 5 overall QB to get more reps and get more comfortable in games, especially against an opponent you know you have to play in a week?

You're right. No problem here whatsoever.
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The Giants fired Bill Sheridan.

We're in the market for a new defensive coordinator. I'm VERY interested to see who we get. This move will make or break our season next year.
Was he your LB coach? I can see Spagnuolo bringing him back over to St. Louis.



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Can we stop acting like Smith has arrived? He's a receiver with 63 yards and no TDs.

Sure he has the ability to run the wildcat, but he's only thrown 1 ball (granted he completed it for 27 yards, but still my point stands).

The fact is, currently, when he's on the field you should know what to expect. And the more snaps you give him, the more you take away from Sanchez and your receivers.
Can Sanchez make a big play to win a playoff game. He hasn't done it all year so I don't see why he'll start now. If the Jets are going to make any noise in the playoffs, they need to make some big plays and right now, Brad Smith is our best option for that.
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Just because Mangini wanted to develop Smith into a slot receiver, so what? Why can't we utilize his arm and his speed? Pittsburgh did it with Randle EL. Cleveland has done it with Cribbs. Last I checked, Mangini is the coach of Cleveland.

Mangini did not want any funny gadgets. Ryan had some and Smith was involved in few games but his momentarily was against Bengals. I did not consider that as Scotty finally utilized Smith at the end of the season.

When Mangini arrived in Cleveland, Cribbs was already popular and more advanced player than Smith IS.
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Can Sanchez make a big play to win a playoff game. He hasn't done it all year so I don't see why he'll start now. If the Jets are going to make any noise in the playoffs, they need to make some big plays and right now, Brad Smith is our best option for that.


Ryan DOES NOT have plans for that yet. It is run game and defense. Big plays from Sanchez will come in handy when he is fully ready. I guess you people had wrong reason to expect Jets.
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Ryan DOES NOT have plans for that yet. It is run game and defense. Big plays from Sanchez will come in handy when he is fully ready. I guess you people had wrong reason to expect Jets.
But Sanchez is not ready right now. Hence the reason why we need to come up with something for Brad Smith. You just can't win with the run game and defense. It's a nice starting point but you need the passing game.
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Mangini did not want any funny gadgets. Ryan had some and Smith was involved in few games but his momentarily was against Bengals. I did not consider that as Scotty finally utilized Smith at the end of the season.

When Mangini arrived in Cleveland, Cribbs was already popular and more advanced player than Smith IS.
When Mangini arrived in Cleveland, Cribbs was a return guy. And yeah, he was a more advanced player than Smith.

Why? Because Smith hadn't been utilized at all except in dropping passes at slot WR.
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Who would want your franchise top 5 overall QB to get more reps and get more comfortable in games, especially against an opponent you know you have to play in a week?

You're right. No problem here whatsoever.
After week 3, Sanchez did very little to achieve the objective of winning in any game. His mistakes have led to several losses and he has even admitted that he's aware of that.

So yes, you're right. The Jets should put more on the shoulders of a struggling rookie quarterback. Makes perfect sense.
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It was Sanchez's fault that he struggled. First 3 games, Scotty gave him easy offense and he was too smart to screw up. Sanchez got rattled against Dolphins and Saints because he never saw that kind of game before. He just lost his mind or focus as a result, he struggled to absorb the offense plays.
Think about these sentences.

Simple offense, couldn't screw it up.
Then struggled.
So then they gave him more than he could deal with?

Yes, that doesn't sound like a coaching fail.
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But Sanchez is not ready right now. Hence the reason why we need to come up with something for Brad Smith. You just can't win with the run game and defense. It's a nice starting point but you need the passing game.

oh yeah, Smith was involved but the result prior the Bengals game was weak as Smith opted to run instead of throw football.

Jets' big problems in vertical game are

1. Sanchez is inexperienced.
2. Receivers struggle to separate themselves from defenders.
3. OL strength in run game not pass game.
4. pick up blitz.
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When Mangini arrived in Cleveland, Cribbs was a return guy. And yeah, he was a more advanced player than Smith.

Why? Because Smith hadn't been utilized at all except in dropping passes at slot WR.
So it was Mangini.
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oh yeah, Smith was involved but the result prior the Bengals game was weak as Smith opted to run instead of throw football.

Jets' big problems in vertical game are

1. Sanchez is inexperienced.
2. Receivers struggle to separate themselves from defenders.
3. OL strength in run game not pass game.
4. pick up blitz.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Think about these sentences.

Simple offense, couldn't screw it up.
Then struggled.
So then they gave him more than he could deal with?

Yes, that doesn't sound like a coaching fail.

what rookie would handle this kind of brutal situation with special coaching treat?

You need to remember that Jets do not have a veteran qb and Clemens is not an ideal NFL qb. Jets stick with Sanchez even he struggles. If Jets had a vet qb then Sanchez would be standing on the sideline instead of playing for more fatal mistakes.
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what rookie would handle this kind of brutal situation with special coaching treat?

You need to remember that Jets do not have a veteran qb and Clemens is not an ideal NFL qb. Jets stick with Sanchez even he struggles. If Jets had a vet qb then Sanchez would be standing on the sideline instead of playing for more fatal mistakes.
What rookie could handle going into an offense with a quality offensive line, THREE good running backs, a good receiving TE and two decent but not great receivers in Jerricho Cotchery and Braylon Edwards.

I would think several.


What rookie QB could come in an succeed with Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator.

Can't think of any.
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Cribbs had been already a gadget for Crennel. Mangini could not defuse Cribbs because Cribbs has excellent work ethic to go with his NFL experience. Smith had only work ethic until Washington broke his leg.
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What rookie could handle going into an offense with a quality offensive line, THREE good running backs, a good receiving TE and two decent but not great receivers in Jerricho Cotchery and Braylon Edwards.

I would think several.


What rookie QB could come in an succeed with Brian Schottenheimer as the offensive coordinator.

Can't think of any.
Scotty entered his 4th season as OC and worked with rookie Sanchez as a full time starter for first time. Cam Cameron joined with Chargers as first time OC and struggled to develop Brees on time for first few years. The very same Cam Cameron worked with rookie Flacco for Ravens. Give Scotty a break.
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Either Schotty or Sanchez are not doing their jobs correctly. Schotty is the replaceable one. Maybe he goes to Buffalo or wherever and develops a QB there just like Cameron did but it's pretty clear it's not happening here.
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Scotty entered his 4th season as OC and worked with rookie Sanchez as a full time starter for first time. Cam Cameron joined with Chargers as first time OC and struggled to develop Brees on time for first few years. The very same Cam Cameron worked with rookie Flacco for Ravens. Give Scotty a break.
Brees had LaDainian Tomlinson, Lorenzo Neal and Toniu Fonoti (in his second year) and seven other guys most of whom didn't belong in the NFL. I should know, because this was my argument why Brees WASN'T a bust and deserved another opportunity with either Robert Gallery at left tackle or Larry Fitzgerald at wide receiver prior to the 2004 NFL draft.

Sanchez on the other hand is another story. He's got plenty of talent surrounding him on the Jets roster. I mean, Jones, Faneca and Mangold are pro bowlers and Ferguson is a first alternate.

Cotchery and Edwards aren't exactly Fitzgerald and Boldin, but they're not David Boston and Kassim Osgood either.
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Scotty entered his 4th season as OC and worked with rookie Sanchez as a full time starter for first time. Cam Cameron joined with Chargers as first time OC and struggled to develop Brees on time for first few years. The very same Cam Cameron worked with rookie Flacco for Ravens. Give Scotty a break.
Cam also got Rivers to the Pro Bowl in 2006, his first year starting, and drafted Chad Henne. He is building a very impressive QB resume.

edit, nevermind I'm entirely wrong about Henne aren't I? Whatever. Eff Cam.
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Either Schotty or Sanchez are not doing thier jobs correctly. Schotty is the replacable one. Maybe he goes to Buffalo or wherever and develops a QB there just like Cameron did but it's pretty clear it's not happening here.
yeah that is what I am afraid of. Jets already have 2 former OC under Scotty. In house promotion could be done if Hue Jackson is not going to Jets.

Hue Jackson could do better job than Scotty because he is a hand on coach. Scotty is more of a brainy coach.

Bills want Scotty? I dont see that way. Gators hiring Scotty? I dont see that way. Is Scotty part of Cowher's staffs? I dont see that way. I fail to see Scotty going somewhere. Jets are not going to fire him.
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yeah that is what I am afraid of. Jets already have 2 former OC under Scotty. In house promotion could be done if Hue Jackson is not going to Jets.

Hue Jackson could do better job than Scotty because he is a hand on coach. Scotty is more of a brainy coach.

Bills want Scotty? I dont see that way. Gators hiring Scotty? I dont see that way. Is Scotty part of Cowher's staffs? I dont see that way. I fail to see Scotty going somewhere. Jets are not going to fire him.
Rex likes him so he probabaly won't be fired but Buffalo will talk to him about the head coaching job so if they offer it to him, I think he's taking it.
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Cam also got Rivers to the Pro Bowl in 2006, his first year starting, and drafted Chad Henne. He is building a very impressive QB resume.

edit, nevermind I'm entirely wrong about Henne aren't I? Whatever. Eff Cam.
oh yea. first Brees on Cam's 1st season and then Rivers on 5th season. None in Dolphins as HC.
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