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Old 03-12-2007, 06:01 PM    (permalink
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Please help me out with this argument. What is Troy Williamsons problem, not getting open or dropping passes?
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Not able to adjust to the football in the air

No body control

Dropped passes

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Cannot beat the jam

Poor concentration

Terrible work ethic

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Dropping passes. He is always open, but he never gets ahold of the ball. Williamson could have had a 600-700 yard year if he would have held onto some of the passes. He has tremendous speed, but he just lacks concentration.
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Dropping passes and concentraction if he gets these traits fixed he might become a good player.
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Not able to adjust to the football in the air

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Dropped passes

Bad route running

Weak/frail

Cannot beat the jam

Poor concentration

Terrible work ethic

Terrible attitude
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How much of this is contributed to a lack of confidence by the team in him though....WR's typically "breakout" in the 3rd year...if it's ever going to happen , this is the year.
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Hands at the moment.

I think his real problem is his head though. Not sure if its confidence(a lack of) or arrogance. But he makes a lot of mistakes.

Doesnt help him that he hasnt had the same system for more than about 5 games. First year they go vertical with Culpepper then they go conservative with Johnson, then they stay conservative, then they stop passing all together, then they open it up again. I mean anyone would struggle if he is still trying to learn the game and its changing every 2 weeks.

Still needs to hold onto the ball. Childress has to better utilize him, though he doesnt seem to care either way because he isnt one of his guys. He gets open, but he just drops catches you expect HSers to make. I think he should be named the #1 receiver and told that it's his job to lose. Give him a boost and find out if he wants it or not.
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Not able to adjust to the football in the air

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Bad route running

Weak/frail

Cannot beat the jam

Poor concentration

Terrible work ethic

Terrible attitude

I pretty much agree with all of that.

Plus he doesnt get any help from the way he is used. He shouldnt be used to catch the long ball, he should be used on quick outs, quick slants that kinda thing. I have seen in the past that he has some really good "run after catch" ability. Its just getting him to catch. :-)
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Not able to adjust to the football in the air

No body control

Dropped passes

Bad route running

Weak/frail

Cannot beat the jam

Poor concentration

Terrible work ethic

Terrible attitude
Thats pretty much the long and short of it. However, he doesnt have a bad work ethic, he often stayed after practice and took some extra time catching balls. I think its mostly mental, if he could get rid of that mental roadblock he could work through most of his other problems.
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I think if they keep throwing him the ball he could turn into a good WR. For example the first couple games for me at WR I dropped balls but once I got ove rthat mnetal road block I caught everything. He just needs to get over that hump.
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Well the problem is he isnt getting any help from the Coaching Staff and he refuses to see someone to get some help. I dont know what I would do if I was Chili or Bevell, maybe insist he goes to someone for some mental help I suppose.
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I pretty much agree with all of that.

Plus he doesnt get any help from the way he is used. He shouldnt be used to catch the long ball, he should be used on quick outs, quick slants that kinda thing. I have seen in the past that he has some really good "run after catch" ability. Its just getting him to catch. :-)
That's true. He definitely shouldn't be used on deep passes because he has no ability to adjust.

But, having him run slants and short routes is not a fix-all. Remember that wide open dropped slant he had against the 49ers on 3rd down, when we were trying to come back to win the game? Absolutely wide open, woulda been an easy, easy, easy catch. I believe it bounced off his chest and hit the ground.
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After taking a battery of tests, the Vikings and Troy Williamson believe eyesight problems are partly responsible for all his drops in 2006.
Williamson can beat defenses deep with his speed, but consistently misjudges long passes. Williamson said he will attend the entire off-season conditioning program as he tries to win back a starting gig in 2007.

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The sort of thing you'd possibly like to learn before investing up to $50mill in somebody, I don't see him wearing glasses under his helmet but I still think he wasn't helped at all from the situation he was put in, let's hope something positive can come out of the pick.
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The sort of thing you'd possibly like to learn before investing up to $50mill in somebody, I don't see him wearing glasses under his helmet but I still think he wasn't helped at all from the situation he was put in, let's hope something positive can come out of the pick.
I know. I really want him to do well, but his incompetence is just infuriating. I don't know how hard to it is to fix someone's inability to catch and adjust to the ball.
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You can give him the information and coaching to make body adjustments, how that translates into full speed game day action when instinct takes over is completely different though. I'm with you, basically living in hope rather than anything else.
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You can give him the information and coaching to make body adjustments, how that translates into full speed game day action when instinct takes over is completely different though. I'm with you, basically living in hope rather than anything else.
Exactly. You can't teach a player how to adjust the ball in-game with players hanging on his shoulder and running at full speed. It is an intangible attribute.

I don't have any hope for little Troy. With his football talents, he probably shouldn't be in the NFL. He is one of the worst draft picks in recent Viking history. But I think Dustin Fox probably takes the cake.
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The sort of thing you'd possibly like to learn before investing up to $50mill in somebody, I don't see him wearing glasses under his helmet but I still think he wasn't helped at all from the situation he was put in, let's hope something positive can come out of the pick.
Sounds like the same problem Dwayne Bowe of LSU had and it resulted in him having eye surgery to correct the problem.
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Exactly. You can't teach a player how to adjust the ball in-game with players hanging on his shoulder and running at full speed. It is an intangible attribute.

I don't have any hope for little Troy. With his football talents, he probably shouldn't be in the NFL. He is one of the worst draft picks in recent Viking history. But I think Dustin Fox probably takes the cake.
Then Demetrius Underwood...bought the supplies, stayed up all night mixing the ingredients and baked that cake.
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Exactly. You can't teach a player how to adjust the ball in-game with players hanging on his shoulder and running at full speed. It is an intangible attribute.

I don't have any hope for little Troy. With his football talents, he probably shouldn't be in the NFL. He is one of the worst draft picks in recent Viking history. But I think Dustin Fox probably takes the cake.
Don't forget Duane Clemons, Michael Bennett, and Dwayne Rudd. Boy, the drafts we've had...
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Dwayne Rudd wasn't a bad pick. He actually played pretty well for us for the most part. If you want to talk worst pick of all time, talk Demetrius Underwood.
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You can give him the information and coaching to make body adjustments, how that translates into full speed game day action when instinct takes over is completely different though.
Repetition creates instinct. You can improve the things like that, you cant take away fear or teach fearlessness but things like body adjustments can be taught by continual practice.
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