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Old 03-03-2010, 12:38 PM    (permalink
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On a unrelated note, I'm reading The Prince right now. I nominate Machiavelli 2012.
You would.
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You would.
What's your beef w Niccolo?

BTW, you know of any online databases for early Medieval maps,or slightly earlier? I'm doing a research project on early medieval England and the only ones I can find are from the university of Texas website.
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Here you go:

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbookmap.html

Site that I used at Rutgers a lot.
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http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/sbookmap.html

Site that I used at Rutgers a lot.
Ya I found that one already too, Didn't find quiet what I needed. Thanks though.
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Ya I found that one already too, Didn't find quiet what I needed. Thanks though.
Quite? ;)

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Quite? ;)

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The first thing I tell my intro students is to forget everything they "learned" in high school. I think the consensus in academia is that it would be better if there were no history taught before college at all.
just start your first day by beating a student upside his head with A People's History of The United States ;)
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I'd rather give hand jobs on the street than teach U.S history.
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I like U.S. History a lot. I found Latin American history to be the most boring out of all of the history classes I took. It might have had to do with the teacher.
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why do you say that? Not that I would want to teach it, but I'm curious why you wouldn't.
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Too recent, too unsophisticated, too lacking in culture/philosophy/originality, too warlike, too isolated, too conservative, and more than anything else simply overdone.

I also don't think I could stand teaching a subject where everyone thinks they already know something. Most Americans are too invested in what they believe to be their history to ever really learn anything.
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Well said, I've always had an interest in South America's history. I feel as if it's the one I learned the least about in school.
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If I had more free time I would learn Russian and learn their earlier history, but as is I'm limited to the Romance languages.
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If I had more free time I would learn Russian and learn their earlier history, but as is I'm limited to the Romance languages.
I took a low-level Russian history in college. It was fascinating. That country has had some crazy **** happen.
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Too recent, too unsophisticated, too lacking in culture/philosophy/originality, too warlike, too isolated, too conservative, and more than anything else simply overdone.

I also don't think I could stand teaching a subject where everyone thinks they already know something. Most Americans are too invested in what they believe to be their history to ever really learn anything.
What do you think is the biggest misconception in Pre 20th century American history?
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The first thing I tell my intro students is to forget everything they "learned" in high school. I think the consensus in academia is that it would be better if there were no history taught before college at all.
Well this makes a lot of sense to me. The first couple weeks of my first college history class was basically my professor telling us how everything we have ever learned is a misconception.
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What do you think is the biggest misconception in Pre 20th century American history?
Hmmm....

1) This country was founded as a Christian country (really anything to do with the constitution or the founding fathers. People love to attribute things to them they neither did nor said.)

2) Native Americans lived in harmony with nature.

3) Women never had legal rights.

4) The 13 colonies were important to the British.

5) Workhouses and public charity were sufficient means of alleviating urban poverty/abandonment/homelessness, etc.

6) Abraham Lincoln 'freed the slaves.'

7) Our heritage stems from the Pilgrims/Purtians

8) The Civil War wasn't, in the end, about slavery and almost nothing else.

9) That the concept of 'naturalization' stems from anything other than class and race.

10) Native Americans basically ceased to exist in the Eastern United States by the middle of the 19th century.

These are random musings off the top of my head, and I don't study or teach U.S. history, so take it for what it's worth.
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Just looking over it quickly I diasagree with #4. I don't know your exact definition of importance but we did bring in a lot of money for the British.
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Just looking over it quickly I diasagree with #4. I don't know your exact definition of importance but we did bring in a lot of money for the British.
There are multiple perspectives you could approach that statement. If we're approaching it from a purely economic perspective then, yeah, I'd have to disagree as well.
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There are multiple perspectives you could approach that statement. If we're approaching it from a purely economic perspective then, yeah, I'd have to disagree as well.
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Disagree with the prof. History is entirely based on one's interpretation, that's what I'm continuing to learn everyday.
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Disagree with the prof. History is entirely based on one's interpretation, that's what I'm continuing to learn everyday.
You're right but facts still can help. It depends what you're arguing.
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You're right but facts still can help. It depends what you're arguing.
Yep. No better example than feudalism. As BF mentioned on the last page, there are scholars that don't believe it existed in the first place, while the rest argue over what is considered to be a feudal 'relationship' and what place and significance it held in society, as well as the feudal link of the king to a vassal, if it was even present at all.
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Another major argument that I went through at Rutgers was whether or not the American Revolution was actually a revolution. I had many professors argue that it wasn't.
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Another major argument that I went through at Rutgers was whether or not the American Revolution was actually a revolution. I had many professors argue that it wasn't.
What do you remember as shaping their stances on that argument? Sorry, I have very limited knowledge of American history. I thought about taking it in HS here in Canada, but never came across to it. Now in university I've actually attempted to and the course ends up being filled when history courses typically don't fill up so quickly.
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