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Old 01-10-2010, 01:37 PM    (permalink
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Tyson Jackson we should have never selected.he was a massive dissappointment.should have nabbed Curry
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I'm disappointed that we didn't have Crabtree the full season.
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Too early to tell. Remember, everybody thought people like Antonio Cromartie and Marion Barber would be busts after weak 1st seasons.
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Too early to tell. Remember, everybody thought people like Antonio Cromartie and Marion Barber would be busts after weak 1st seasons.
Barber was a 4th round pick. Anything you got out of him was a bonus.
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Tyson Jackson we should have never selected.he was a massive dissappointment.should have nabbed Curry
Curry was a disspointment also. I didnt like the Jackson pick with a deep O-lineman crop last year.
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Tyson Jackson we should have never selected.he was a massive dissappointment.should have nabbed Curry
My friend who's a Chief fan has been pretty pleased with Jackson. I'd give him time. 3-4 DE is not a simple position and even a good one is not likely to accumulate a lot of stats. Still, they make a huge impact on the defense as a whole.
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Curry was a disspointment also. I didnt like the Jackson pick with a deep O-lineman crop last year.
The Chiefs didn't (and still don't) need a LT, so they were kind of screwed in that regard.
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Whilst it isn't top 5, Fili Moala has been very dissappointing to me.
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Why? Sanchez hasn't been good all year outside the first three weeks. He was good yesterday. But it's a completely dumbed down passing attack that is based purely off the run game.
he actually played really well in the two losses to miami. Made some nice throws in both games.

And since when is Cotchery, Keller, and Edwards very good weapons?
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What's the use after one year?
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1. Moreno
2. Ayers
3. Alphonso Smith
I honestly think you can take Ayers out of that list. Argue all you want about whether he is suited for the system or not, but to expect a rookie DE to come into the NFL and dominate is unrealistic. The only DEs that generally ever have any impact are the converts to a 3-4 pass-rushing OLB (and Ayers was never used in that role as he was mainly 3-4 OLB on the other side, or 5-2 end). Sure he missed some key plays (just ask a certain moderator that is a Broncos fan), but in all I think he did his job most of the time without making any "special" plays.

Moreno was disappointing, but he will end up being a good player. Too much asked of him behind a line that cant run block inside of the tackles.

I hope Smith can make it because I really like him, but he is easily the most disappointing.
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I don't know how Jason Smith is a disappointment. Sure, it would have been great to see more of him, but you don't mess with head injuries, and while he was in the game he was an absolute animal, one of the most fun lineman to watch that I've ever noticed/seen. His intensity and physical play are incredible. The dude is going to be a complete stud.
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I dont get how DHB was a disappointment. We all knew he wasnt going to come in and put up regular rookie WR's numbers. He is a project that you cant really grade until a few years down the road and has a real QB.
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Too early to tell. Remember, everybody thought people like Antonio Cromartie and Marion Barber would be busts after weak 1st seasons.
Cromartie is not good. He is okay sometimes. Barber was not a 1st round pick, or 1st day...your point is excellent but there are much better examples out there.
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Tyson Jackson cannot be a disappointment. 3-4 DE is the position that you see little contributions from ROOKIES. Its the 2nd and 3rd year, where after they spend time learning a new position that you expect to see results. Richard Seymour played 4-3 DT his first 2-3 years in NE, so you cannot say he was a legit guy in that scheme to start.I'd like to find one rookie tht did studly as a 3-4 DE in the last 20 years. Hardest position to see immediate rewards.
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Well, Rex Ryan who know a lot more about football players than any of us, thinks Sanchez is going to be a huge star and an All Pro QB within a few years. That is the ceiling he said he saw this year in Sanchez's play. I happen to agree with him.
Well, Bobby Beathard who knows a lot more about football players than any of us, thinks Ryan Leaf is going to be a huge star and an All Pro QB within a few years. That is the ceiling he saw when he drafted Leaf #2 overall in the 1998 NFL draft.

Just because someone knows more about football players than someone else, doesn't necessarily make them right every single time. And come on, what's Ryan supposed to say? "I think Mark Sanchez played well for a rookie but he'll probably be a good game manager at best."
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Well, Bobby Beathard who knows a lot more about football players than any of us, thinks Ryan Leaf is going to be a huge star and an All Pro QB within a few years. That is the ceiling he saw when he drafted Leaf #2 overall in the 1998 NFL draft.
I doubt he would've said the same during Leaf's rookie year. That's the flaw in this statement.
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Tyson Jackson we should have never selected.he was a massive dissappointment.should have nabbed Curry
Crabtree would have been better.

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Well, Bobby Beathard who knows a lot more about football players than any of us, thinks Ryan Leaf is going to be a huge star and an All Pro QB within a few years. That is the ceiling he saw when he drafted Leaf #2 overall in the 1998 NFL draft.
Half the league either had him as the top player or the second best behind Manning. If you ask anyone now they all say they prefered Manning. You could use that argument about anyone that was around 10 years ago.

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I doubt he would've said the same during Leaf's rookie year. That's the flaw in this statement.
You could slip other players in there instead then. Jamarcus even. I do love Sanchez's future in this league though.
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You could slip other players in there instead then. Jamarcus even. I do love Sanchez's future in this league though.
I happen to agree with Rex. I see it in him, and I also see a career greater than that of his mentor Carson Palmer who he outperformed yesterday. Sanchez will be the greatest USC QB ever, FWIW, lol.
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You can say or think whatever you want about Sanchez, but the fact that Rex Ryan said he's going to be good isn't proof of anything.
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Yeah, i'll agree with everyone who says Tyson Jackson shouldnt be on the list. 3-4 DE never put up big stats...and never get any attention, let alon in his first year. I didnt gree with the Chiefs picking a 3-4 DE that early in the draft, as they can usually be had later on, but thats besides the point. As a player, if Jackson has learnt the position, the defence, kept containment, played the run, and made some plays here and there...thats all you can ask for in a rookie 3-4 DE...i'd say hes had a good year in that regards.
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Preeeeeetty much this. It's ridiculous to throw Cassel under the bus. I'm a Chiefs fan (obviously) and I'm pleasantly surprised at how he did this year. Sure, he made some mistakes, but no offensive line, no weapons and no offensive coordinator will make you look worse than you are. I'm very positive going into next season. Jamaal Charles has shown to be a gd stud, Bowe is back and hopefully we re-sign Chambers, and we just hired Charlie Weis, an accomplished OC.

Not taking anything away from Sanchez, because I think he will definitely get better, but I love the situation the Chiefs are in right now. I'm more optimistic than I've been in years.

As for Tyson Jackson, he wasn't who I wanted, but he plays a critical role in the 3-4. Every draft expert who knows what they're talking about said it might have been a reach, but Jackson was the #1 rated 3-4 DE in the draft, and Pioli puts serious emphasis on the defensive line. He was a little underwhelming this year, but there is no reason to suggest he can't get better. Especially if we get him some help on the defensive side of the ball. He just logged his first season as a pro and 3-4 DEs aren't known for huge sack totals, generally. I don't think he's a bust but I'd definitely put him in the "unsure" category. We'll see if he makes strides next year.
Where has Glenn Dorsey been playing?
And I totally agree with all of this. Im not expecting Tyson Jackson to have a 10 sack season anytime soon, but I do expect him to do his job. Cassell probably has a good 7-8 years too, and I have loved watching Charles play since he was at Texas.
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Knowshon may have lead all rookies in rushing but, I still couldnt help but be disappointed in his year as a whole. He finished off the year terribly. I think he'll be just fine next year, though.
I think he'll be a decent RB at best. Vastly overrated in last year's draft.

Shonn Greene will still be the best RB from this draft class, and I've been saying this long before just yesterday.
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Both Moreno and Donald Brown were dissapointing as rookies. Brown didn't even get to 500 total yards. He had 3 games in which he got double digit carries and didn't break 50 yards in any of them. The only game he did go over 50 yards rushing was a game in which he had a 45 yard run.
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