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Scotty D · 01-12-2010, 06:08 PM

Free Agency
Kyle Vanden Bosch,DE - 4 years 20 million
Dunta Robinson,CB - 5 years 30 million
Nate Burleson,WR - 3 years 10 million
Larry Johnson,RB - 1 year

Trades
Ernie Sims, WLB + 3rd rounder to Tampa Bay for 2nd rounder (Chicago)

Draft
1) Gerald McCoy, DT - Oklahoma
2) Demaryius Thomas, WR - Georgia Tech
2) Maurkice Pouncy, OG/OC - Florida
4) Javier Arenas,CB - Arkansas
5) Brandon Minor, RB - Michigan
5) Kyle McCarthy, S - Notre Dame

Prowler · 01-12-2010, 07:35 PM

Draft
1.(2) Gerald McCoy DT OK
2.(2) Jahvid Best RB Cal
3.(2) Javier Arenas CB Alabama
4.(2) Corey Wooten DE Northwestern
5.(2) Danario Alexander WR Missouri
5.(15) Myron Rolle S Florida St/Oxford
6.(2) John Jerry OG Ole Miss
7.(2) Erik Cook G/C/T New Mexico

Mel Kiper stated in a very recent article that Wooten's value is now around 4th-5th round which I would definitely be willing to give him a shot in that range. I don't know where Danario will go, but he does have bad knees. You can substitute him with about any other WR who falls to that spot.

DoWnThEfiElD · 01-12-2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Prowler

Draft
1.(2) Gerald McCoy DT OK
2.(2) Jahvid Best RB Cal
3.(2) Javier Arenas CB Alabama
4.(2) Corey Wooten DE Northwestern
5.(2) Danario Alexander WR Missouri
5.(15) Myron Rolle S Florida St/Oxford
6.(2) John Jerry OG Ole Miss
7.(2) Erik Cook G/C/T New Mexico

Mel Kiper stated in a very recent article that Wooten's value is now around 4th-5th round which I would definitely be willing to give him a shot in that range. I don't know where Danario will go, but he does have bad knees. You can substitute him with about any other WR who falls to that spot.

I really think this. Even thought with our first pick you could interchange Berry, Suh and McCoy for all I care at this point. The only guy I'm not sold on is Arenas, but I could live with it.

Brodeur · 01-12-2010, 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scotty D

Trades
Ernie Sims, WLB + 3rd rounder to Tampa Bay for 2nd rounder (Chicago)

cotts1 · 01-12-2010, 08:22 PM

CB Marlin Jackson 4 years/20 million
DE Ray Edwards 5 years/25 million
LG Eugene Amano 3 years/8.5 million
WR Kevin Walter 4 years/15 million
RB Jerious Norwood 4 years/12 million

Trade Julian Peterson for 4th round pick

1. SS Eric Berry- At this point I think Rams take Suh, Lions stick to their board and take BPA.

2. DT Terrence Cody- I know some of you don't like Cody, but I think he's gonna be a good pro. With all these underclassmen he could fall out of the 1st.

3. CB Syd'Quan Thompson

4. CB Walter Thurmond

4. RB Anthony Dixon

5. DE CJ Wilson

5 (f/DEN). WR Shay Hodge

6. DT Torrell Troup

7. Our 7th went to Buffalo for Ko Simpson

Calvin & Kevin · 01-12-2010, 10:11 PM

OK here's my homeriffic mock which will never happen but if you can't post this kind of dreaming s*** here then where can you post it am I right?

This mock depends on three medium-to-long shots coming through: One, that a new CBA is reached and free agency can continue unchecked. Two, that St. Louis decides on a QB at #1 instead of Suh (frankly, I think that Sam Bradford will resurface as a major factor for that #1 pick, but we'll see). Three, Suh shows out at the combine and establishes himself firmly above McCoy as the better choice at DT.

Free Agents:
CB Ellis Hobbs
LB Derrick Johnson
WR Braylon Edwards

Hobbs isn't going to beat out Sheldon Brown and Asante Samuel. He will go where a starting job is.
Johnson might want to get out of KC's 3-4 defense and back into a role he's used to, while the Lions are almost certainly going to lose Foote or Peterson or both.
Finally... Braylon. He just might break out from the Jets, and look at Detroit as a place where he can be at home and get his focus back.

Draft:
1. Trade #2 to Tampa for #3 and pick #42 (from Chicago) - Suh falling to #2 is a blessing for the Lions - now they can get Tampa to jump at him. With 5 picks in the top 99, Tampa can afford to pay the toll.

2. Trade pick #3 to Seattle for pick #6 and pick #38 - The new management team in Seattle will want a new QB to start with if they can get one. Carroll is too big of an ego to start out with ancient Hasselbeck and take 2-3 years to build a team. He will want his guy to work with. Since a QB was taken at #1, there's only one big-name prospect left and no way he will get past Washington, so Seattle makes their move.

1. (#6) - Gerald McCoy, DT
If things fall the way I'm predicting here, I see the first 5 picks as Bradford-Suh-Clausen-Okung-McClain (or Berry), so that means McCoy is still there at #6 for the Lions.
2. (#34) - Mike Iupati, G
I think G is ten times the need that T is for the Lions, and Iupati in between Backus and Raiola would fill a hole that's been there for 10 years.
2. (#39) - Brandon Graham, DE
I personally think Graham is a first-rounder by far, but I will go with Scott for the purposes of this mock and accept the premise that less-than-perfect numbers will push him just into the second round. Good for us.
2. (#43) - Jahvid Best, RB
Some mocks have Spiller falling into the second but even for this mock I can't be THAT much of a homer. Best is a good alternative, only negative about him is injuries but as far as talent goes he's got it all.
3. (#66) - Javier Arenas, CB
Excellent kick-return prospect, at 5'9" I don't believe he'll be a premium CB prospect but he does have cover skills and would have a good shot at nickel back.
4. (#97) - Myron Lewis, CB
The Lions could draft three or four CB's and still not have the position totally fixed. Arenas is a small CB so the Lions take a bigger one.
5. (#129) - Antonio Brown, WR
The Lions need more WR's but can't afford to use early picks on them. They have to pull some out of the late rounds.
5. (#140) - Montario Hardesty, RB
With Kevin Smith's injury concerns, taking another RB isn't out of the question at all and at this point, the Lions can go BPA.
6. (#161) - Brandon Carter, G
At this point, it's definitely Best Project Available, and maybe Carter's personality concerns could push him down this far. I know this, Stephen Peterman isn't so great that they don't need to look for someon who can do the job better.

Edit: oh wow I didn't even read Prowler's mock before I did this. Great minds and all that.

SINCE1978 · 01-13-2010, 08:55 AM

Wow ... just wow. Some folks are living in fantasy land! But I guess this is strictly for fun, we are not in the running for GM spots at this point so fantasize away. However, do not be disappointed when these football wishes (pipe dreams) are not granted. ;o) Calvin & Kevin If Mayhew could pull off an unheard of 2 first round trades with Seattle & Tampa Bay to acquire picks, PLUS lure in Derrick Johnson & Braylon Edwards in FA he would immedietly establish himself as an upper echelon GM and could be mayor of Detroit if he wanted! ;o) Again, wow ... McCoy, Iupati, Graham, Best, Arenas & M. Lewis!!!! That would be amazing. Pipe dream, but an amazing pull.

Here is my practical stab at a January mock for Detroit. I say "practical" b/c I will use only the picks we currently have & will not mention any major FA acquisitions or crazy trades since these are also highly unlikely.

Pick 2) N. Suh Dline, Huskers - Hulk. Nuff said ...

Pick 34) B. Graham, DE Mich - Beast. Slips only b/c he is considered "undersized" ... our gain suckas, he's got skills!

Pick 66) J. Asamoah, G Illini - Big. Fast. 3.8 GPA, with plenty of experience. Fills 10 year void at LG FINALLY. Pettigrew, Backus, Asamoah = 1,200 yd rusher in our next pick ...

Pick 98) A. Dixon, RB Miss St. - Big (235). Fast enough(4.6). 4 yr starter, who can block & catch ... would compliment A. Brown's break away speed.

Pick 130) W. Thurmond III, CB Ducks - He was on his was to being a top 3 CB then he had season ending knee surgery. I think he slips b/c of said injury but is worth the 5th rd risk. High reward potential here assuming he is 100%.

Pick 154) (thanks Denver) B. White, WR MSU - Finally we get a #2 to compliment CJ. Work ethic galore, like this fit.

Pick 162) C. Thomas, NT UNC - 6'3" 330 & agile. think BJ Raji's Ron Brace from last year. He has helped Marvin Austin become a top DT drawing the double.

Pick 194) C. Chancellor, CB Clemson - Experience & speed.

Basically I took big, fast guys. Captain Masticolli (Gosh, I have not brought ol' Rod up in a LONG time!) well he loved acquiring smaller, faster guys to play his ridiculous Tampa 2 "system". (get sideways in gaps, lower pad level, blah blah) That lead to 0-16 & a roster of small guys who lack NFL talent. I feel we need BIG, ORNERY fellas that show up to the ball in bad moods. Suh, Graham, Asamoah, Dixon, Thomas all fit that mold.

Build with beef! Build in the trenches!

Scotty D · 01-13-2010, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by cotts1

1. SS Eric Berry- At this point I think Rams take Suh, Lions stick to their board and take BPA.

2. DT Terrence Cody- I know some of you don't like Cody, but I think he's gonna be a good pro. With all these underclassmen he could fall out of the 1st.

3. CB Syd'Quan Thompson

4. CB Walter Thurmond

4. RB Anthony Dixon

5. DE CJ Wilson

5 (f/DEN). WR Shay Hodge

6. DT Torrell Troup

7. Our 7th went to Buffalo for Ko Simpson

I'm starting to come around to this type of draft. I really like Terrence Cody and his play reminds me when Shaun Rogers actually tried. If we can get one free agent on the Dline and one at the top of round 2 then we can be solid.

SINCE1978 - I really like your draft as well. I think it walks a fine line between best case scenario and being realistic, in a good way hahahaha.

tblain1 · 01-13-2010, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cotts1

CB Marlin Jackson 4 years/20 million
DE Ray Edwards 5 years/25 million
LG Eugene Amano 3 years/8.5 million
WR Kevin Walter 4 years/15 million
RB Jerious Norwood 4 years/12 million

Trade Julian Peterson for 4th round pick

1. SS Eric Berry- At this point I think Rams take Suh, Lions stick to their board and take BPA.

2. DT Terrence Cody- I know some of you don't like Cody, but I think he's gonna be a good pro. With all these underclassmen he could fall out of the 1st.

3. CB Syd'Quan Thompson

4. CB Walter Thurmond

4. RB Anthony Dixon

5. DE CJ Wilson

5 (f/DEN). WR Shay Hodge

6. DT Torrell Troup

7. Our 7th went to Buffalo for Ko Simpson

3 players in our seconrdary and no offensive lineman? Lets just put Stafford on IR now :)

I like Cody actually. I like my DT built like doughboys -- they can absorb the run better that way. Kinda like the 2001 Bears when they had Traylor and Washington. That was my kinda DT combo. Still prefer Suh at #2 if available, but now I'm thinking he might be gone.

I'm not holding my breath for FAs; thats assuming a lot of sought after FAs come here for less than they can get elsewhere and that our management is willing to pay. Not likely.

Also can we get a 4th for Peterson?? I dont even know if we could get a 7th for him considering his age and contract. If he is gone, its because we cut him.

SINCE1978 · 01-13-2010, 01:07 PM

You people are sick & twisted ...
I'm posting this here b/c it seems to be the thread people are reading right now. So, people read this please ... we are fans of the Detroit Lions! So when it comes to Free Agency & blockbuster trades stop it with this incessant, myopic drivel!!!
First off, free agency ... key word here is "free" people. Not free of costs, but free to choose. So put yourself in the cleats of an NFL free agent .. .what would you look for? Winning team that competes for playoff spots? Talent on the roster surrounding you? A stable coaching staff that has been establshed for a number of years? Maybe nice weather or a safe town to raise your family in? Detroit offers none of that & I find it preposterous that many of you feel we can lure top shelf players such as Reggie Bush, Derrick Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Glen Dorsey, Aaron Kampman or Marlin Jackson here! Really?
Detroit curently has very little to offer; with only a handful of playoff appearances this decade, a tendancy to change coaches/coordinaters with the changing of the seasons ... not to mention we tend to be cheap & in a recession based economy Michigan is one of the states with the darkest cloud hovering over it! So stop it that we will be in a position to acquire any of these players next year, or even in 2011...

What we have however is a rabid fan base hungry for a winner, a new complex waiting to be filled/fully enjoyed & a coach that seems to get it with a plan in place. I will not forget Schwartz saying in his first press conference "we have a plan to run the footbal & stop the run, without that you can not be successful in this league". They laid the ground works with getting several key pieces in draft #1 ... most importantly the sumptuous franchise QB. (fingers crossed) We build through the draft, we fill in with free agency & trade. We model organizations that have done this the blue collar way and in 3 years it is our team that is playing on wild card Saturday. Then, after we have regained some legitimite, league-wide credibility by sniffing the playoffs, then we can talk about going out and getting top shelf FA talent or maybe putting together a trade for "that one piece" (ie Favre) to take us to the next level. Until then we stick with the Schwartz, we stick with his plan and we draft young, hungry, talented (cheap) player makers & work hard & continue to follow these clowns until they can make us proud to be fans of them again.
Out -

Addict · 01-13-2010, 01:32 PM

yeah I agree with Since on this one. Free Agency is great and all, but untill the Lions show they can win 8 games on their own, no free agent is gonna go to Detroit willingly, unless of course there is no other team interested.

Well maybe if it's between the Raiders, Rams and Lions, they'll come. But still. Every season it's the same thing: we dream about making a huge splash in FA and put our draft needs as a lower priority. Honestly, cap or no cap: don't expect many free agents to come.

In more draft-related subjects: let's say round three comes around and Dunlap is still available, what do we do?

Iamcanadian · 01-13-2010, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SINCE1978

You people are sick & twisted ...
I'm posting this here b/c it seems to be the thread people are reading right now. So, people read this please ... we are fans of the Detroit Lions! So when it comes to Free Agency & blockbuster trades stop it with this incessant, myopic drivel!!!
First off, free agency ... key word here is "free" people. Not free of costs, but free to choose. So put yourself in the cleats of an NFL free agent .. .what would you look for? Winning team that competes for playoff spots? Talent on the roster surrounding you? A stable coaching staff that has been establshed for a number of years? Maybe nice weather or a safe town to raise your family in? Detroit offers none of that & I find it preposterous that many of you feel we can lure top shelf players such as Reggie Bush, Derrick Johnson, Braylon Edwards, Glen Dorsey, Aaron Kampman or Marlin Jackson here! Really?
Detroit curently has very little to offer; with only a handful of playoff appearances this decade, a tendancy to change coaches/coordinaters with the changing of the seasons ... not to mention we tend to be cheap & in a recession based economy Michigan is one of the states with the darkest cloud hovering over it! So stop it that we will be in a position to acquire any of these players next year, or even in 2011...

What we have however is a rabid fan base hungry for a winner, a new complex waiting to be filled/fully enjoyed & a coach that seems to get it with a plan in place. I will not forget Schwartz saying in his first press conference "we have a plan to run the footbal & stop the run, without that you can not be successful in this league". They laid the ground works with getting several key pieces in draft #1 ... most importantly the sumptuous franchise QB. (fingers crossed) We build through the draft, we fill in with free agency & trade. We model organizations that have done this the blue collar way and in 3 years it is our team that is playing on wild card Saturday. Then, after we have regained some legitimite, league-wide credibility by sniffing the playoffs, then we can talk about going out and getting top shelf FA talent or maybe putting together a trade for "that one piece" (ie Favre) to take us to the next level. Until then we stick with the Schwartz, we stick with his plan and we draft young, hungry, talented (cheap) player makers & work hard & continue to follow these clowns until they can make us proud to be fans of them again.
Out -

I completely agree that few big name FA's will be interested in coming to Detroit and even if they did, the results are not guaranteed. The Giants won the FA battle last year, signing numerous big name talent to help their defense. Did it work, a resounding NO.

It is particularly tough to get a solid FA to come to a weak team like Detroit. In the back of most FA's mind is that this is the last contract I will likely sign and believe me, all they are seeing is $$ signs to make up for all the years they have put their bodies through the professional grinder of football. If they sign with a weak team, you will likely have a player who won't give 100% and is just hanging around for the money.

The top teams will sign a FA because they also know that they will likely put out for one last shot at a SB, but some don't even care any longer.

So we aren't going out and signing a bunch of high paid FA's, more likely we sign one or 2 FA's who are more prospects than finished products. These types are still young and determined to earn a place in the game and will give you 100%. There is no quick fix in football. It takes a solid management team, solid scouting staff and a talented GM and HC.

We must continue to draft well year after year with minimal mistakes especially with our 1st and 2nd picks. We must pray that injuries don't hit our stars as they develop. That Schwartz turns out to be a great HC once he has the talent to win in this league. We will likely need 3 more years to become a serious contender and any attempt to speed up the process will likely send us tumbling backward. It is coming, just give it time and it will pay off.

Addict · 01-13-2010, 01:53 PM

I think most of us agree, we need to gain momentum towards winning before using FA's.

Really Free Agency is only able to help your team if the team's already heading in the right direction or a consistent winner.

cotts1 · 01-13-2010, 02:18 PM

Mayhew has said he is looking to sign 4-6 free agents that are young and entering their prime. Do you guys think there are only 10 FA's for the whole league to sign or something? Do I need to list every player scheduled to be a FA this year for you guys to realize it's very possible for the Lions to sign some of these players? One thing the Lions will have a lot of is money. Looking like we'll have close to 50 million in cap room this off-season. The Lions want to win now! They arn't waiting till 3 years from now. This is a results based business, the days of building a dynasty from the ground up are over!!!!!

Addict · 01-13-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by cotts1

Mayhew has said he is looking to sign 4-6 free agents that are young and entering their prime. Do you guys think there are only 10 FA's for the whole league to sign or something? Do I need to list every player scheduled to be a FA this year for you guys to realize it's very possible for the Lions to sign some of these players? One thing the Lions will have a lot of is money. Looking like we'll have close to 50 million in cap room this off-season. The Lions want to win now! They arn't waiting till 3 years from now. This is a results based business, the days of building a dynasty from the ground up are over!!!!!

the lions winning next season or the season after that is about as likely as me making sweet sweet love with Natalie Portman tomorrow.

And trust me, I'm not holding my breath.

cotts1 · 01-13-2010, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tblain1

3 players in our seconrdary and no offensive lineman? Lets just put Stafford on IR now :)

I like Cody actually. I like my DT built like doughboys -- they can absorb the run better that way. Kinda like the 2001 Bears when they had Traylor and Washington. That was my kinda DT combo. Still prefer Suh at #2 if available, but now I'm thinking he might be gone.

I'm not holding my breath for FAs; thats assuming a lot of sought after FAs come here for less than they can get elsewhere and that our management is willing to pay. Not likely.

Also can we get a 4th for Peterson?? I dont even know if we could get a 7th for him considering his age and contract. If he is gone, its because we cut him.

Well it was based off my prediction of us signing a FA LG. Schwartz likes Backus so it doesn't look like he's going anywhere, nor is Raiola. He also likes Peterman so it looks like he will be back. Cherilus had a bad year, but I doubt Schwartz is going to give up on him after one season. He was a 1st round pick after all. Therefore it looks like any O-lineman drafted this year would be a backup anyway. I just think this draft needs to be defense, defense, and more defense.

When people say "what no O-lineman"? I question whether they even really watched the Lions this year...The pass protection for Stafford really was not that bad. There were a couple bad games in there, but for the most part it wasn't to shabby. Both the plays Stafford got injured on were well after the play had broken down and was not the O-lines fault. We need a LG no question, but the rest of the line is good enough for now IMO. Lets fix the worst defense in the NFL, and we'll get back to the O-line next year.

cotts1 · 01-13-2010, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Addict

the lions winning next season or the season after that is about as likely as me making sweet sweet love with Natalie Portman tomorrow.

And trust me, I'm not holding my breath.

Do you think people in Miami thought the Dolphins would go from 5-11 to 11-5? Remember, Matt Millen is no longer associated with this franchise......Mayhew and Schwartz know what they are doing.....The Lions can win 8 games next year with some good FA signings and a good draft.

Addict · 01-13-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by cotts1

Do you think people in Miami thought the Dolphins would go from 5-11 to 11-5? Remember, Matt Millen is no longer associated with this franchise......Mayhew and Schwartz know what they are doing.....The Lions can win 8 games next year with some good FA signings and a good draft.

if the Lions win 8 next year they'll be back in the NFL basement the season after that. Progress is a slow process. Getting rid of Millen was a first step on the road to improvement, it was by no means a magic spell that cures all ails.

cotts1 · 01-13-2010, 02:57 PM

Of course it's not, but the NFL is truly a league of parity. Things can change dramatically from one season to another.

Scotty D · 01-13-2010, 03:00 PM

Not to mention the fact that Stafford, Pettigrew, Delmas, Levy, Hill, Brown should only get better in their second seasons. Stafford threw some crippling INTs that I have to think he will avoid next season. Plus no Stan Kwan = 8-8

DoWnThEfiElD · 01-13-2010, 03:04 PM

Our defense will be ranked in the bottom 1/4 of the league again, we are not going 8-8.

cotts1 · 01-13-2010, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DoWnThEfiElD

Our defense will be ranked in the bottom 1/4 of the league again, we are not going 8-8.

Not if we draft Berry, Cody, Thompson, and Thurmond and sign Edwards and Jackson!!!! Worst to FIRST!!!!!

DoWnThEfiElD · 01-13-2010, 03:17 PM

I'll pass on Cody.

cotts1 · 01-13-2010, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DoWnThEfiElD

I'll pass on Cody.

Not sure why....all the guy does is make plays....

Addict · 01-13-2010, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by cotts1

Not if we draft Berry, Cody, Thompson, and Thurmond and sign Edwards and Jackson!!!! Worst to FIRST!!!!!

you're being sarcastic, right?