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Old 02-17-2010, 08:09 PM    (permalink
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I think Cro can still be a very solid pro. He just has to stop being a *****. He has enormous physical talent and measureables. Maybe a change of scenery will do him good.
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Go watch the replay of the Shonn Greene TD from the playoff game and tell me why oh why you would want Cromartie on your team. The guy is a joke.
Mike Jenkins had a pretty embarrassing play last year as well. Cro is better than any Lions CB, I can guarantee you that.
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So this thread or the one on Vernon Gholston which is better?
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So this thread or the one on Vernon Gholston which is better?
gholston, no doubt
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Is it just me or do Saints and Falcons freak out any time a defensive player becomes available?

Are you talking about the fans? Because I'd be very surprised if the Falcons were interested seeing as how we like corners who play the run.
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He must mean the fans, because until Vilma trade, the Saints really never pursued guys hard it seemed.
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I will say that Cromartie didn't have an awful 09. As purely a coverage corner, he is adequete. I looked up a few of his metrics, and he actually had a better season (statistically speaking) than Jammer did.

The problems arise when we consider his lack of a spine, his off field issues, and the fact that he's going to be due a new contract soon. The Chargers have Cason, who they want to see at RCB after he was underwhelming at nickel.

Like with anything, you accept the good with the bad. He has run his course here in San Diego. I would prefer him gone because of all the drama, but I wouldn't put it past him to be productive elsewhere, becaues he's just too talented. The immaturity and spinelessness really brings him down though.
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I just think people's opinions are a little too extreme on Cromartie. Has his play taken a major dive the last 2 seasons? Yeah, but the guy is a major talent who has shown he can play at a high level at times. It seems to me that people think he has no place in the NFL. That's going overboard and I think it has a lot to do with his most recent game. Classic 'what have you done lately' mentality.
No one's saying he doesn't have a place in the NFL. But I think you're remembering the 2007 Cromartie a little to much. I mean you were offering Michael Turner who's an elite back, for him.
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holt, you are a Rams fan. It's time to rebuild, trade Stephen Jackson for the Chargers 1st and Cro. and...anything else. Come on.
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Mike Jenkins had a pretty embarrassing play last year as well. Cro is better than any Lions CB, I can guarantee you that.
I knew someone would bring that up. Jenkins was excellent this year but let us see it again before we put him in that category. Everyone rushed onto Cro and look where we are now.
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I can honestly say as a San Diego fan that Cro had a pretty decent season. His coverage ability this year was miles better than in 2008 (which is the year everyone is remembering for his bad play). But barring the Steeler's game, he did very well in man coverage and adequate in zone. In fact, one of the reasons Rivera was able to blitz more was because both Cro and Jammer could be trusted to hold their own in man.

However, his tackling and cowardice is still the same. That will always be the knock on him. Plus, he's too much of twitter idiot with him getting fined for saying the camp food was bad. Not to mention the whole champagne incident after the second Denver game this year.

So yeah, if he had go to a team where he's only asked to cover, he'll be a surprisingly good fit.
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This is just like the Reggie Bush thread. Everyone says how garbage he is before he is available. Then once he becomes even possibly available, people will suddenly say that they want him on their team and that he can easily turn it around on a new team. He is physically very gifted and this makes people enamored with him and want him on their team.

Can he turn his play around? Sure, but I'm not sure that I would give up a quality pick for him. Those clips of him actively avoiding the play is an embarrassment. It is a big risk/reward situation for whoever trades for him (if it is a higher pick).

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Willis McGahee for Cro.
Yes please. I just want to get rid of McGahee. He has some good games but I don't like him at all. He is a solid back up RB but those are honestly a dime a dozen. I would do the trade just to get rid of McGahee for his contract and for the chance that Cro turns it around.
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Maybe his new team can give him a raise to pay off his child support.
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Honestly, I wouldn't mind the trade I presented earlier at all to take place between the Titans/Chargers, and this is my rationale behind what logically would be a horrible fit since Cro isn't a "Titans CB" at all.

I don't think he needs a change of scenery. I think he needs a better pass-rush and play on a defense with swagger. The Chargers had no Jammal Williams, a not so 100% Shawn Merriman, and any other nicks and injuries that starters could've had. Not to mention, didn't they go through some scheme changes and stuff last year?

I think swagger and attitude are contagious, and for CB's to throw their bodies around, they need a special mindset. Cortland Finnegan epitomizes this mentality, in my opinion. Pound for pound, I don't think there's a player that's more fiesty than Finny - he's borderline dirty because of it. I think that that swagger can rub off on other players because I've seen it happen. It's not instantaneous, but it happens and I think having Chuck Cecil coaching DB's for so long helped instill that identity in the Titans' DB's. So that's something that gives me hope at the prospect of bringing in a soft CB.

Although, I'm sure once Ron Rivera can get things situated in SD and primetime players get healthy, then it could lead to a more successful Cromartie. He's just gotta be on a defense that has him surrounded with talent and an established coaching staff that has an identity instilled (not sure the Titans fall into the category after last year though). I know that can be said for pretty much any and every player, but I think it's especially true for a player like Cromartie who, at this point in his career, can be more of a liability to the players around him instead of making his surrounding cast better.
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Maybe Aso could coach him up.. Id give Fargas and a 3rd for him no doubt about it.
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I would start Sproles over Maroney.
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How about Travis Henry the cornerback for Maurice Morris?
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-- from the San Diego Union-Tribune's Kevin Acee:

One source said the [Chargers] talked with the Dallas Cowboys recently about a deal involving Cowboys running back Tashard Choice, though it was not known whether there were any other components involved in a potential deal. The Cowboys were not interested.
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This needs to happen ASAP. Go Ozzie! GOOOOO!
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