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Old 05-18-2010, 09:30 PM    (permalink
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Yep. It's been awhile since I've looked forward to the trade deadline as potential sellers. This team just doesn't have it this year. First the offense was terrible, the pitching was average, and the defense was very good. Now the offense has been very good, the defense has been average, and the pitching has been terrible. Go figure.
yep, usually i'm looking forward to all the rumors swirling about how we might go for this guy or that one, now i'm looking forward to seeing who we can get for who.

i've said this before, but i'll say it again - the majority of this team needs to go. keep martinez (dh), youkilis (1b/3b), pedroia, and ellsbury on offense. for the pitching staff, keep lester, beckett if he gets his act together (i might move him while i still can), lackey, bard, maybe papelbon, but i think the worth of the closer position is severely overrated unless your closer's name is mariano rivera.

i certainly left a few out, but for the most part those are the only guys that i think are worth having. try to pile up prospects who will be ready next year or the year after, and go from there. i'm also worried that our farm isn't nearly as good as past years.
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I just watched FSN Wisconsin's live replay of Trevor Hoffman's 3 run, no out, walk-off blown save today for the 2nd time. For some reason I could not peel my eyes from the horror.

I just finished Hoffman's eulogy and, am now scripting Prince Fielder's farewell letter...
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The age of the ***** athlete has been in full swing for a while, and Hanley Ramirez is keeping it going. Lost a lot of respect for him, shut up and admit you haven't been playing well even if you don't think you should be benched.
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One night Thames' is the man, tonight he botched the catch and cost us.
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Sweet! Pirates AAA game is being broadcasted on MLBN tomorrow morning. I'm going to have to wake up to see it. I finally get to see Tabata and Pedro play!
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Sweet! Pirates AAA game is being broadcasted on MLBN tomorrow morning. I'm going to have to wake up to see it. I finally get to see Tabata and Pedro play!
Don't you usually watch an AAA team?
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No because I don't get the games.
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No because I don't get the games.
I think he was talking about the Pirates
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It depends on how you view the closer position. In my opinion he's overrated as a reliever. He's not one of the top five relief pitchers in baseball like he is sometimes billed as. However, a closer's job is to get saves and Papelbon is one of the best at converting save opportunities. That's not really debatable.

Here are the 14 closers who have converted at least 40 saves since the start of the 2009 season and their save percentage:

Bell - 53 (86.9%)
Cordero - 52 (89.7%)
Rivera - 51 (94.4%)
Fuentes - 48 (87.3%)
Papelbon - 48 (92.3%)
Wilson - 48 (85.7%)
Aardsma - 47 (92.1%)
Franklin - 47 (88.7%)
Nathan - 47 (90.4%)
Broxton - 43 (84.3%)
Hoffman - 42 (82.4%)
Rodney - 42 (97.7%)
Rodriguez - 41 (82.0%)
Soria - 40 (88.9%)

In terms of coming into a save situation and converting, only Rivera and Rodney have been better. Sure, it's not always pretty when Papelbon is on the mound, but he gets the job done better than almost anyone. Now, the above study is certainly fuel to the notion that the closer position itself is overrated.
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One really good point that was made during the Sunday Night Baseball game between the Phils and Brewers was that sometimes the crucial outs come in the 7th or 8th inning, not the 9th. So, all bullpen positions can be crucial to the success of the team. The closer might get the glory, but the bridge/setup players are equally important. A great closer can be very helpful, but if you can't get to him, what's the point? Case and point: The 2009 Mets pitching staff was collectively weak in the 5th-8th innings. That was a significant reason why they had such a down year.
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One really good point that was made during the Sunday Night Baseball game between the Phils and Brewers was that sometimes the crucial outs come in the 7th or 8th inning, not the 9th. So, all bullpen positions can be crucial to the success of the team. The closer might get the glory, but the bridge/setup players are equally important. A great closer can be very helpful, but if you can't get to him, what's the point? Case and point: The 2009 Mets pitching staff was collectively weak in the 5th-8th innings. That was a significant reason why they had such a down year.
this is what I've thought for some time now. i'd much rather have 3 rock solid relievers that i can use in innings 7, 8, and 9 where necessary than a fantastic reliever that i can use for one inning, maybe two (but then he's unavailable the next night). this is why i kind of hope boston trades papelbon, especially with his contract running out soon.
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I like the Pirates' backend of their bullpen. Meek, Hanrahan, and Dotel is pretty solid IMO.
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So i just caught Mike Golic ripping on Hanley Ramirez and I must say, good job Mike.
Freddy has brass balls calling out someone like Hanley and was right to do so and Hanley was a spoiled baby brat afterward.
Diva's like Hanley and the pre-conceived notion that they are bigger than the team are ********. People like that piss me off so much.
It is why I hate Brandon Phillips so much and why I think Dusty Baker is only the third or fourth worst manager in baseball now.
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So i just caught Mike Golic ripping on Hanley Ramirez and I must say, good job Mike.
Freddy has brass balls calling out someone like Hanley and was right to do so and Hanley was a spoiled baby brat afterward.
Diva's like Hanley and the pre-conceived notion that they are bigger than the team are ********. People like that piss me off so much.
It is why I hate Brandon Phillips so much and why I think Dusty Baker is only the third or fourth worst manager in baseball now.
I just heard it, and wow. He hit the nail on the head throughout the whole thing. I applaud Golic.
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Flyers shutout the Canadians
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and Roy Halladay loses to the Pirates

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I just heard it, and wow. He hit the nail on the head throughout the whole thing. I applaud Golic.
Hanley is a spoiled brat and I hate him now.
This is what a true Me First player looks like and it seems like the players are backing Freddy and they seemed to do just fine without him the other day.

And this is why team chemistry matters. If Hanley goes south, I dont know if anyone is gonna try to pick him up because after all, no one else is as important to the team as him
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Hanley is an a hole but I wouldnt mind him on the phillies LoL!!!
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He isn't a top tier pitcher so the phillies wont be trading for him.
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I don't care how big Hanley's ego is, he's welcome in Detroit.
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I don't care how big Hanley's ego is, he's welcome in Detroit.
One of the major reasons they traded Cabrera was so he didn't badly influence Hanley. Imagine them together still.
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