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Old 11-20-2013, 09:30 PM    (permalink
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Final number Rangers are paying Fielder = $106/7
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So does Cabrera or V-Mart move to 1B?
Has to be V-Mart at DH and Cabrera to 1B for Castellanos at 3B, right?

1B Cabrera
2B Kinsler
SS Iglesias
3B Castellanos
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Final number Rangers are paying Fielder = $106/7
Where are you getting those numbers?
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He miscalculated. It's 7yr/$138. He had $168 mill left on his deal and Detroit is picking up $30 million of it
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Tigers free up 76 million total.
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He miscalculated. It's 7yr/$138. He had $168 mill left on his deal and Detroit is picking up $30 million of it
OOOOOHHHH! Yeah, my b.
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Tigers free up 76 million total.
- what Kinsler is making?
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I think it's a great trade for both sides, but I like how the Tigers were able to get rid of a massive contract like Fielders and improve their defense by moving Miggy back to first. Hopefully they get an above average defensive third baseman and if they do they'd have a pretty nice left side of the infield. They free up money and it wont be nearly as hard as it was going to be to extend Scherzer now.

Prince will be in a ballpark that is more friendly to hitters and the Rangers open up a slot for Jurickson Profar to play everyday.
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THat includes what Kinsler is making.

Here is the math on the finances: Prince owed $168M. #Tigers pay $30M of that, plus Kinsler’s $62M - total of $92M. Savings of $76M. -Ken Rosenthal
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4-92 million for Kinsler is really no better than 7-138 for Fielder. The length is better for Kinsler, obviously, but 23 million a season for Kinsler is god awful.
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Well I do like Dude Love.
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Moving Cabrera to 1st is obviously a win, however.
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Those 3 extra years were annoying, and it frees up a lot of flexibility in the meantime.
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4-92 million for Kinsler is really no better than 7-138 for Fielder. The length is better for Kinsler, obviously, but 23 million a season for Kinsler is god awful.
That's obviously a bad deal for Kinsler, but I'd argue it's much better than what Detroit was giving Prince. Neither of the two is that great now, and the $46 million in savings for Detroit is huge.
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I expect a bounceback for both of them. We'll see where Fielder is in 4 years, but 19 million a year isn't that bad for Fielder. At least not for now.

I like the deal better for Detroit, but I don't think it's a clear win either way.
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Not sure that Kinsler will be all that great in the AL Central with big parks and weather.

Kinsler's career OPS in each of the AL Central stadiums:
CHA: .611 (124 PA)
CLE: .626 (114 PA)
DET: .627 (162 PA)
KC: .756 (101 PA)
MIN: .716 (66 PA)
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Whoa, I wasn't expecting that. Solves problems for both teams, though.
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Two important notes:

1) The Tigers aren't sending cash to Texas until the 2016 season and beyond. So the team legitimately sheds $8 million/year the next two years (Prince's 24M – Kinsler's 16M) by making this 1-for-1 swap. Important for a team that's still "all in" to win immediately. That savings is enough to get a much-needed closer or left field upgrade.

2) The relationship between Fielder and the fans was very, very strained after his postseason performance and most importantly because of his ridiculous comments post-ALCS. It's very possible he would have continued to regress while stuck in a situation that was gonna be miserable for him, so the Tigers had extra incentive to try to get out from underneath this contract.
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First time I heard of this. I'm sad because I feel like I watched Kinsler grow up before my eyes and he was easily my most favorite Ranger player even though he had his fair share of struggles and injuries.

At the same time, I'm really happy to have a big bat back in the line up! We weren't able to play Ranger baseball last year by playing small ball. Prince should see his power numbers surge playing in Arlington.

Here's Jon Daniels' opinion of the trade:

"If he was coming off the best year of his career, he's not available," general manager Jon Daniels said on a Thursday night conference call. "I think that's kind of the whole idea of this deal if anybody feels like that's a sign of things to come, that he's slipping, you may not like the deal. We don't feel that way. We don't feel that way at all. There's a lot more to come from him."

The effect of this trade that I'm worried about is Profar being able to fill Kinsler's shoes. I wanted to trade that bust of a prospect.
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Cardinals and Angels discussing a trade that would send Peter Bourjos to St. Louis and David Freese to LA.
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I have always wanted Bourjos in Detroit. Buster Olney reported that their is a growing sense from other executives that the Tigers are the favorite for Choo. Not sure how I feel about that.
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Still think more moves are coming for Texas. McCann? Price?? Cano???

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I have always wanted Bourjos in Detroit. Buster Olney reported that their is a growing sense from other executives that the Tigers are the favorite for Choo. Not sure how I feel about that.
No, no, no on Bourjos. I don't think he provides the OBP or the power the Tigers need. Their defense as a team is no longer below average, so they don't need to sacrifice offense to bring in a defensive wiz like Bourjos like they may have two years ago.

I think I prefer Beltran to Choo at this point, but I haven't formed my final opinions yet.
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I don't get the dislike for Choo. Good defense in the corner and is on OBP machine. Put him in front of the mashers you have and only good things can happen.

EDIT: Not to mention the guy is good for at least 15 HR.
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