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Jeter was never a better defensive or offensive SS than A-Rod.
No one ever said he was better offensively.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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No one ever said he was better offensively.
You asked why would they move Jeter since he is a better SS so I didn't know which part of his SS game you were referring to so I threw out a blanket statement.
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Gotcha, yeah definitely more of a defensive statement.

Also thought that A-Rod would have to make a position change before Jeter ever would.
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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Well guess we disagree there, but A-Rod was going to have to switch positions before Jeter ever would have had too. It was only a matter of time before he was going to get too big for the position.
There's no real basis for your disagreement. It was general consensus when the trade happened that the better defender was moving. All of this notwithstanding, Jeter still is a top 5-10 shortstop ever and a definite hall of famer, but his legacy is way overblown and he's not this amazing guy either.
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Doesn't have to be an amazing guy, he played the game the way its supposed to be played...
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I wouldn't be sir prized if he passed McCoy on the depth chart. I think he might have a better arm and accurate arm then him from the highlights I thought. He also got some wheels too help us prepare for QB's as Wilson , RG3 and other runners etc.
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The only real problem I've had with Jeter was twofold. His "clutchness" was always way overblown and the play where he dove into the stands against the Red Sox has always been overhyped. Besides these two things, like Brodie said, he's a top 5-10 SS and a 1st ballot HF who had an amazing career.
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Doesn't have to be an amazing guy, he played the game the way its supposed to be played...
Would you stop saying this? This isn't even a thing. You know who plays the game like it shouldn't be played? Adeiny Hechavarria, because he's ******* terrible.
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Would you stop saying this? This isn't even a thing. You know who plays the game like it shouldn't be played? Adeiny Hechavarria, because he's ******* terrible.
********, it is a thing. He went out each and every day like a ****** pro. He didn't ***** and moan when something went wrong, he was the face of a storied franchise and did it better than many could. He played hard everyday, he didnt take days off, he played through injuries...do you want me to keep going?

There are guys that play the right way, I've been around and watched the game long enough to know who does.
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The only real problem I've had with Jeter was twofold. His "clutchness" was always way overblown and the play where he dove into the stands against the Red Sox has always been overhyped. Besides these two things, like Brodie said, he's a top 5-10 SS and a 1st ballot HF who had an amazing career.
Name 5 better shortstops.
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why do they have to be shortstops? Jeter was pretty ******* horrible defensively I think most 3b and 2b could have done what he has done there
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Alan Trammell, Neifi Perez, Yuniesky Betancourt, Christian Guzman, ... Damn. I can only name four. Jeter it is.
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Alex Rodriguez, Ernie Banks, Honus Wagner, Joe Cronin, Cal Ripken Jr., Robin Yount.
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Alex Rodriguez, Ernie Banks, Honus Wagner, Joe Cronin, Cal Ripken Jr., Robin Yount.
Ernie Banks played half his career a 1B. Even so Jeter's number are comparable considering they are different types of hitters.

Wager yes, although a different game 100 years ago.

Cronin I'll say yes. The rest no. And I'm pretty sure you said Cal just to piss me off.

A-Rod is such a weird case. Again half his career at 3B. You can say he should have played instead of Jeter at SS and while in 2004 I would agree with you, A-Rod was a shell in the field 2 years later. He was worse at 3B than Jeter was at SS. Jeter's bad range to his left only got worse when he had to compensate for A-Rod.
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Jeter should have moved off SS just like Banks and Yount were so that's why I'm counting them.
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Jeter should have moved off SS just like Banks and Yount were so that's why I'm counting them.
Thats such BS and you know it. Jeter never embarrassed himself out there. He was always serviceable out there. His only weakness was range in one direction. As terrible as it was to his left, he was fine at everything else.

If that's the case when is Wright moving to the outfield, since he should have 5 years ago.
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Jeter's range was always overrated

the Gonzo single would have been a easy pop fly for Didi

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Ernie Banks played half his career a 1B. Even so Jeter's number are comparable considering they are different types of hitters.

Wager yes, although a different game 100 years ago.

Cronin I'll say yes. The rest no. And I'm pretty sure you said Cal just to piss me off.

A-Rod is such a weird case. Again half his career at 3B. You can say he should have played instead of Jeter at SS and while in 2004 I would agree with you, A-Rod was a shell in the field 2 years later. He was worse at 3B than Jeter was at SS. Jeter's bad range to his left only got worse when he had to compensate for A-Rod.
Just wondering why Cal Ripken would piss you off? 2 Time MVP and a record that will never be broken.

Just for reference, here is the JAWS ranking of Shortstops. http://www.baseball-reference.com/leaders/jaws_SS.shtml

And if you do it by peak (WAR7 the best 7 years combined) he is behind Nomar. That would make you really angry.
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Ernie Banks played half his career a 1B. Even so Jeter's number are comparable considering they are different types of hitters.

Wager yes, although a different game 100 years ago.

Cronin I'll say yes. The rest no. And I'm pretty sure you said Cal just to piss me off.

A-Rod is such a weird case. Again half his career at 3B. You can say he should have played instead of Jeter at SS and while in 2004 I would agree with you, A-Rod was a shell in the field 2 years later. He was worse at 3B than Jeter was at SS. Jeter's bad range to his left only got worse when he had to compensate for A-Rod.
That has been part of my argument. He yet had longer to be better at short, more so than A Rod. His decline happened fast, and happened at a much easier position.
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Thats such BS and you know it. Jeter never embarrassed himself out there. He was always serviceable out there. His only weakness was range in one direction. As terrible as it was to his left, he was fine at everything else.

If that's the case when is Wright moving to the outfield, since he should have 5 years ago.
Huh Wright has been really good at 3B the last few years. It was his first few years where he just made a few amazing plays where everyone thought he was a GG but in reality he was average at best.

Jeter was solid at short until about 5 or 6 years ago. He should have been moved then but never was.
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Huh Wright has been really good at 3B the last few years. It was his first few years where he just made a few amazing plays where everyone thought he was a GG but in reality he was average at best.

Jeter was solid at short until about 5 or 6 years ago. He should have been moved then but never was.
Wright is still a below average 3B. I'd say he's been worse at his position already than Jeter ever was.
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Wright is still a below average 3B. I'd say he's been worse at his position already than Jeter ever was.
You're wrong but ok.
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