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Old 06-30-2010, 01:14 PM    (permalink
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UZR can't really be judged on a half season of defense, and while it is a flawed stat, it's still usable.
Even with 3 season of UZR data, which should be enough, I still don't agree. Plus all the differences with other metrics just make defensive metrics a total wash to me. Offensive metrics good, defensive metrics bad.
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UZR can't really be judged on a half season of defense, and while it is a flawed stat, it's still usable.

Matt Holliday has a good defensive history, so while he might be playing over his head with his current numbers, he's still probably been the best OF.

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Even with 3 season of UZR data, which should be enough, I still don't agree. Plus all the differences with other metrics just make defensive metrics a total wash to me. Offensive metrics good, defensive metrics bad.
UZR's probably the best available, so when you have a sizeable amount of data, I think it's certainly a viable option. Everyone knows it has flaws and can be proven upon, but it's what we have. It's fair to use it.

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I prefer to just watch a game. I think that is the only way to truly judge a player defensively.

Kinda like keeping stats for an O-Lineman in football.

If you can watch every play of every game for every fielder taking into the trajectory of a baseball and then can give a non biased and informed set of data for ranking players fielding abilities, then god bless you.
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Are Slowey, Blackburn and Baker the exact same person? I'm pretty sure they are.
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Wow. Votto called out on a horrible call.
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I bet you if you threw it at K-Dro's head, he'd still swing at it. Dude needs to learn to not swing at everything. God damn.
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Johnny Damon is so sad in left field.
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There is nothing more funny than watching Johnny Damon throw the ball.
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Johnny Damon is so sad in left field.
I think he owes us about half of that 8 million back for that play.
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And after THAT play, I think he owes us more than we owe him.
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Are Slowey, Blackburn and Baker the exact same person? I'm pretty sure they are.
Slowey probably has the best control, Baker has a little better stuff, and Blackburn just sucks. But yeah, they are pretty much the same pitcher. Blackburn's K/9 and BB/9 are almost identical this year.
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Exciting game today.
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Bruce is finally starting to turn that corner at the plate.
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Ronny Cedeno sucks so much.
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There is nothing more funny than watching Johnny Damon throw the ball.
Idk, Raul Ibanez and Jacque Jones might give him a run for his money...
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Idk, Raul Ibanez and Jacque Jones might give him a run for his money...
I cant find the video, but last year Dunn threw the ball BACKWARDS a few times. And everyone in Cincy loved watching him charge a ball and come up throwing and you expect this rocket from such a big guy and its just so soft lol.
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To be fair, by the time Ibanez even gets to a ball in left, even limp armed Damon will have thrown it. Ibanez is pretty bad. Not that it matters. The Phillies haven't had a good LF in 11-12 years. If not longer.
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Brad Lincoln is pitching awesome today.
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It's just hilarious when you see these guys (Ibanez, Jones) who charge in and are ready to make this huge throw....then they just throw it straight down into the ground 10 feet in front of them. I don't understand it. But it's hilarious none the less.
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Pedro Alvarez is up with the bases loaded, one out. What does he do? He swings at two pitches in the dirt to strike out. I'm all for being patient with him, but he's not being patient with himself. I'm getting very frustrated with all these strike outs.
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UZR's probably the best available, so when you have a sizeable amount of data, I think it's certainly a viable option. Everyone knows it has flaws and can be proven upon, but it's what we have. It's fair to use it.
I like using UZR as a reference, but the idea that it should hold precedence because 'it's the best available option' is a poor argument in it's favor.

It's like when people buy Madden every year. It's the only available way to get an NFL licensed video game, and many of us will buy it, but that doesn't mean it's a good game.
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Pedro Alvarez is up with the bases loaded, one out. What does he do? He swings at two pitches in the dirt to strike out. I'm all for being patient with him, but he's not being patient with himself. I'm getting very frustrated with all these strike outs.
I still get frustrated with all your Pirate posts. Its a never ending cycle.


Anyway a thread relevant post, apparently the Orioles' are considering moving a pitching prospect for Chris Davis? I'm pretty sure at some point in time Brandon Snyder must have raped a female Angelos.....
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I still get frustrated with all your Pirate posts. Its a never ending cycle.


Anyway a thread relevant post, apparently the Orioles' are considering moving a pitching prospect for Chris Davis? I'm pretty sure at some point in time Brandon Snyder must have raped a female Angelos.....
So I can't talk about baseball in the baseball thread? That's funny. I guess noone is allowed to post something about their favorite team now.
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To be fair, by the time Ibanez even gets to a ball in left, even limp armed Damon will have thrown it. Ibanez is pretty bad. Not that it matters. The Phillies haven't had a good LF in 11-12 years. If not longer.
Do you remember T.J. Bohn? Dude with around a career .180 average in AAA (or something ridiculous) but one MLB assist. Rocket for an arm, though he was built like Jim Halpert.

Dom Brown won't be much better. He's got a great arm and athleticism but he takes terrible routes to balls. Since he's a + athlete, he usually makes up for it but he's still raw out there.
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