MLB Discussion Thread - Page 351

tjsunstein · 08-01-2010, 06:05 PM

Papelbon IS a douche.

P-L · 08-01-2010, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sbh15

someone remind me why jonathan papelbon wasn't traded? i know that he had two inherited runners, but he just ******* sucks. i hope he gets type a free agency so we at least get a draft pick out of this piece of ****. but with the way theo's been doing things lately, we'll probably just give him the top three closer money that he wants and doesn't deserve.

The Sox were/are in a no-win situation with Papelbon. You can't demote him because that would piss him off and it's very possible it would negatively affect his play. You can't trade him because that would mean weakening an already below-average bullpen while the team is still in contention for the wild card. Maybe if the Blue Jays weren't asking for Pedroia, Buchholz, and Lester (exaggeration, I know) for Scott Downs we could've acquired him and that would've made Papelbon expendable. However, considering we couldn't get a reliever at the deadline, Theo couldn't justify trading one of our better relievers just because he isn't a top closer.

ATLDirtyBirds · 08-01-2010, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Daniel Hudson > Max Scherzer > Edwin Jackson

I wouldn't get overly excited about a strong performance against the Mets.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-01-2010, 07:56 PM

He's right we basically have only 3 guys who can hit right now. I do like Hudson though and I think he'll be very good.

ATLDirtyBirds · 08-01-2010, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

He's right we basically have only 3 guys who can hit right now. I do like Hudson though and I think he'll be very good.

I don't know about you, but I just want to get a protected pick at this point.

Brodeur · 08-01-2010, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantsfan1080

He's right we basically have only 3 guys who can hit right now. I do like Hudson though and I think he'll be very good.

Or eight guys better than Brennan Boesch.

Giantsfan1080 · 08-01-2010, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ATLDirtyBirds

I don't know about you, but I just want to get a protected pick at this point.

I'm almost there but I'd like us to maybe do something well on this upcoming road trip. I have no problems with us cleaning house even though we're probably going to see Ricco become the next GM. I really hope we get a protected pick though if we're just going to play lethargic baseball.

MidwayMonster31 · 08-01-2010, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by fenikz

Daniel Hudson > Max Scherzer > Edwin Jackson

Hudson wasn't falling behind like usual. Good debut for him.
Also, Jackson was tipping his pitches.

Stash · 08-01-2010, 08:47 PM

Just saw on TV that Hellickson will be making his MLB debut this week.

jballa838 · 08-01-2010, 09:50 PM

yeah does anyone know if its going to be more than a spot start or if I shouldn't have dropped Johnathan Sanchez for him?

Brodeur · 08-01-2010, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jballa838

yeah does anyone know if its going to be more than a spot start or if I shouldn't have dropped Johnathan Sanchez for him?

What kind of league do you play in where dropping Jonathan Sanchez is a good idea?

jballa838 · 08-01-2010, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

What kind of league do you play in where dropping Jonathan Sanchez is a good idea?

a point scoring system one where he is my least valuable pitcher. my team has Ubaldo, Grienke, Strasburg (DL), Tommy Hanson, Matt Cain, Cole Hamels, Clayton Kershaw, Gavin Floyd and Billy Wagner.

so really its between hanson and Sanchez.

Brodeur · 08-01-2010, 10:10 PM

Are you in like a 6 team league?

sbh15 · 08-01-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by P-L

The Sox were/are in a no-win situation with Papelbon. You can't demote him because that would piss him off and it's very possible it would negatively affect his play. You can't trade him because that would mean weakening an already below-average bullpen while the team is still in contention for the wild card. Maybe if the Blue Jays weren't asking for Pedroia, Buchholz, and Lester (exaggeration, I know) for Scott Downs we could've acquired him and that would've made Papelbon expendable. However, considering we couldn't get a reliever at the deadline, Theo couldn't justify trading one of our better relievers just because he isn't a top closer.

the fact remains that even if pedroia, martinez, etc. get healthy, we still probably won't beat the yankees even if we do beat out tampa. if paps still had any years left on his deal, this would be a non-issue, but now the team is poised to pay a guy who has slowly declined into mediocrity at the closer position one of the biggest contracts at the position if they want to keep him, which i figure theo will. especially with the possibility of a nightmare scenario where he goes to the yanks. it's also especially aggravating considering the market for relievers this off-season. the nats got wilson ramos for matt ******* capps, can you imagine what the sox could have pulled for paps?

i guess it all depends on your view of boston's playoff chances... i think that they'll be sitting at home in october, so i thought they should have been sellers.

Borat · 08-01-2010, 10:27 PM

BEAT LA! Errrr, make that SWEEP LA.

Hey Dodgers:

Brent · 08-01-2010, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Borat

BEAT LA! Errrr, make that SWEEP LA.

Hey Dodgers:

quoted for truth.

Matt Cain just called me, Dodgers fans, he said you've got to pick it up.

Rob S · 08-01-2010, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by sbh15

the fact remains that even if pedroia, martinez, etc. get healthy, we still probably won't beat the yankees even if we do beat out tampa. if paps still had any years left on his deal, this would be a non-issue, but now the team is poised to pay a guy who has slowly declined into mediocrity at the closer position one of the biggest contracts at the position if they want to keep him, which i figure theo will. especially with the possibility of a nightmare scenario where he goes to the yanks. it's also especially aggravating considering the market for relievers this off-season. the nats got wilson ramos for matt ******* capps, can you imagine what the sox could have pulled for paps?

i guess it all depends on your view of boston's playoff chances... i think that they'll be sitting at home in october, so i thought they should have been sellers.

I doubt the Yankees go for him. I think they will go hard for both Cliff Lee and Carl Crawford/Jason Werth tho and I think they have a good shot at landing 2. If they could swing a trade for Soria, I think they would do that which would be awesome.

Brodeur · 08-01-2010, 11:00 PM

Cliff Lee is going to be a Tiger, I don't care what it takes.

Forenci · 08-01-2010, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Cliff Lee is going to be a Tiger, I don't care what it takes.

Honestly it probably is with in the realm of possibility. Don't the Tigers get a huge amount of salary off the books after this year?

Brodeur · 08-01-2010, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Forenci

Honestly it probably is with in the realm of possibility. Don't the Tigers get a huge amount of salary off the books after this year?

Willis, Robertson, Bonderman, Damon, Inge, maybe Peralta, Laird and probably Magglio are all coming off the books, so there should be at least $50 million to spend. If Cliff Lee signs anywhere else, I will go off the deep end and probably be in an asylum for a while.

Xiomera · 08-01-2010, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodeur

Willis, Robertson, Bonderman, Damon, Inge, maybe Peralta, Laird and probably Magglio are all coming off the books, so there should be at least $50 million to spend. If Cliff Lee signs anywhere else, I will go off the deep end and probably be in an asylum for a while.

Cliff Lee is OURS! Hands off, New York!