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Old 11-09-2010, 03:03 PM    (permalink
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I've given up caring about who wins Gold Gloves.
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They did a pretty good job this year for the AL, outside of Jeter (I really don't know if Mauer deserves it or not as I don't know a way to measure the catcher position, and Cano is meh I guess).
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Yay for Buehrle, but Gold glove is just a reputation contest, not who the best fielder was that year.
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Mauer winning the GG is also wrong. I thought he was pretty bad for his standards this year. Yes, he was banged up, but he had a ton of errant throws.
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Concepcion has 5 Gold Gloves. In those years, according to Baseball Reference, he saved 49 runs. Jeter has 5 GGs. In those years, he saved -9 runs. **** him.
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Put Davey in the Hall of Fame.

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Jeter winning is really of no surprise to me at all. And Heyman's stupidity is just overwhelming this offseason.


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Gold Gloves are worthless. Fangraphs or some other stat/discussion site should just start there own defensive awards. I don't recall seeing a bigger disparity in defense between #1 and #2 than at 1B in the AL, but they give it to Tex.
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I heard this mentioned on MLBN.If/When Lee leaves TX do the Rangers then make a play for Greinke?
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This annoying ass Prime 9 countdown reminds me how insanely overrated Eddie Murray is amongst baseball writers.
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Jeter over Andrus is an absolute joke.
Didn't Andrus make an ass-ton of errors this year?

edit - I'm not saying Jeter should have won. He shouldn't. That guy has had probably the worst SS range in baseball for half a decade now.
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Didn't Andrus make an ass-ton of errors this year?

edit - I'm not saying Jeter should have won. He shouldn't. That guy has had probably the worst SS range in baseball for half a decade now.
Errors don't really matter that much, but I suppose Alexi Ramirez deserved it more. Forgot about that bastard.
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Brodeur, who do you want the Tigers to sign?
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I desperately want Cliff Lee, but that's not happening so I want Carl Crawford and the duo of Austin Kearns and Jim Thome for a DH platoon.
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For who wins the gold glove? Are you being serious?
They don't matter in the sense that they really shouldn't be weighted too much. Range is far more important, and players who get to more balls tend to have more errors.
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They don't matter in the sense that they really shouldn't be weighted too much. Range is far more important, and players who get to more balls tend to have more errors.
If we're talking about game value, I might agree (probably not though). For an award that is solely about being a good fielder, which is a pretty isolated consideration, I think errors are a huge deal.
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If we're talking about game value, I might agree (probably not though). For an award that is solely about being a good fielder, which is a pretty isolated consideration, I think errors are a huge deal.
But the thing is, a guy like Jhonny Peralta doesn't make as many errors as a guy like Elvis Andrus does at short, but Andrus is a far better defender because he's got way better range and is able to get to more balls. Errors is just not all that big of a deal when valuing guys against each other because again, guys with more range tend to have more errors because they get to more balls.
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But the thing is, a guy like Jhonny Peralta doesn't make as many errors as a guy like Elvis Andrus does at short, but Andrus is a far better defender because he's got way better range and is able to get to more balls. Errors is just not all that big of a deal when valuing guys against each other because again, guys with more range tend to have more errors because they get to more balls.
I'm not saying just look at errors (there are plenty of useful metrics out there, not to mention watching lots and lots of baseball), but I'm also not going to pretend that just because a guy is fast it's okay if his glove-work is sloppy or he sucks at making throws off his back foot.
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I'm not saying just look at errors (there are plenty of useful metrics out there, not to mention watching lots and lots of baseball), but I'm also not going to pretend that just because a guy is fast it's okay if his glove-work is sloppy or he sucks at making throws off his back foot.
Partly agree here. At some point an extended range actually detracts from a players defense if they can not make the throw to first, or catch the ball. At what point that is? I don't know, though I'd assume no player with extended range is remotely close to that point.

The better question is at what point does the extended range become negligible when evaluating the player's defense.


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I think the Fielding Bible Awards that James, Neyer and others all do research for are a much better tool to see who was actually the best defensively at their respective positions.
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At the very least, these range factor calculations are based on actual play and are adjusted based on field dimensions and such. Doesn't matter for infielders, but for outfield, it does. These are statistically significant measures. However, people are going to vote based on the eyeball test. It will probably take a generation before those in power rely on these new measures to place their votes. Right now, the current generation goes with the eyeball test.
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These analysts on MLB Network are ******* terrible. No, Torii Hunter isn't as good as he's ever been fielding wise and no Peter Bourjos won't learn anything from him (especially since I think Bourjos is the best centerfielder I've ever seen).
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Cashman flew down to Arkansas this morning to meet with Cliff Lee..
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