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Old 11-10-2010, 11:23 AM    (permalink
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(especially since I think Bourjos is the best centerfielder I've ever seen).
...What? I don't know who Bourjos is but... seriously?
Was that intended hyperbole to make a point (that I can't catch via text)
or have you never watched Ken Griffey Jr play?
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...What? I don't know who Bourjos is but... seriously?
Was that intended hyperbole to make a point (that I can't catch via text)
or have you never watched Ken Griffey Jr play?
Ken Griffey Jr. is massively overrated as a centerfielder (Jim Edmonds and Andruw Jones are soooooooo much better), but no I wasn't kidding. Bourjos is a goddamn freak in the outfield.
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Isn't it Bourbon?

Anyway, Griff in his prime at CF was top 3 all time Brodeur.. (Seattle days)
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Ken Griffey Jr. is massively overrated as a centerfielder (Jim Edmonds and Andruw Jones are soooooooo much better), but no I wasn't kidding. Bourjos is a goddamn freak in the outfield.
Too bad he's incapable of hitting.
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:34 AM    (permalink
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Well, we'll just have to agree to disagree on Griffey. I did and still think he was a freak in his prime. O and D.
I agree with A.Jones and J.Edmonds but I think Griffey and Jones were on another level offensively. (With Griffey >> Jones offensively too)

I'll be looking out for Bourjos then. I love me some CF's.

Side random note: Why wasn't Ichiro ever a CF? I thought he would have made a sick ass CF, and that's saying alot with him having ten gold gloves now.
(Earlier in his career. I can see him at RF now since he's closing in on 40 now)
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Isn't it Bourbon?

Anyway, Griff in his prime at CF was top 3 all time Brodeur.. (Seattle days)
Wrong CF that can't hit worth a damn.
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Isn't it Bourbon?

Anyway, Griff in his prime at CF was top 3 all time Brodeur.. (Seattle days)
No he wasn't. Griffey was insanely overrated because he took piss poor routes to the ball and was able to occasionally make it up with great catches because of his speed, but he wasn't ever close to being as good as prime Andruw Jones was.

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Too bad he's incapable of hitting.
He's good enough defensively that he can offset his poor hitting skills. Sort of like Adam Everett for center.
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That Griffey description sounded a lot like Jim Edmonds to me.
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That Griffey description sounded a lot like Jim Edmonds to me.
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Agree with GF. Edmonds had a knack for making what should be a nearly routine play look like the most difficult catch of the year. Plays he made over his shoulder would have been regular catches for a lot of others.
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He's good enough defensively that he can offset his poor hitting skills. Sort of like Adam Everett for center.
To be clear, we're discussing the Houston version of Adam Everett, right? Because the Detroit version was a black hole on offense that no amount of defense could make up for. Just sayin'.
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To be clear, we're discussing the Houston version of Adam Everett, right? Because the Detroit version was a black hole on offense that no amount of defense could make up for. Just sayin'.
Yes, that is what I am referring to (although he was still good defensively with Detroit).
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Yes, that is what I am referring to (although he was still good defensively with Detroit).
So congrats to the Angels, they have a league average player to sit at the bottom of their lineup for the next 7 years until his legs go.
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So congrats to the Angels, they have a league average player to sit at the bottom of their lineup for the next 7 years until his legs go.
Eh, he's still more valuable than league average because he's not THAT bad of a hitter. He struggled a lot, but it was still his first go round and I believe he can be a league average hitter with unbelievable defense, which is a very valuable player.
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Jones was probabaly the best CF I've been able to see but Griffey is up there. Beltran was smooth like Jones in CF but he always played so deep to make sure nothing got over his head.
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Eh, he's still more valuable than league average because he's not THAT bad of a hitter. He struggled a lot, but it was still his first go round and I believe he can be a league average hitter with unbelievable defense, which is a very valuable player.
Well, I don't think he'll be a league average hitter, so there.
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Eh, he's still more valuable than league average because he's not THAT bad of a hitter. He struggled a lot, but it was still his first go round and I believe he can be a league average hitter with unbelievable defense, which is a very valuable player.
His legs should be enough to make him more valuable than league average with defense. He should get nearly 15 hits that 95% of baseball couldn't get. He's no Brett Gardner. But then again, who is.
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Gardner was probably the most deserving Yankee for a Gold Glove.
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Andruw Jones was so amazing to watch in his prime.
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NL Gold Gloves had some mistakes as well. Rolen over Zimmerman being the main one.
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The Athletics acquired David DeJesus from the Royals for Vin Mazzaro and Class-A pitcher Justin Marks.
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One of the reasons the Athletics bid so much on Iwakuma probably. They did say it was a precursor to a Mazzaro trade.
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Bah Humbug to you Dayton Moore
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