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Old 11-21-2011, 09:06 PM    (permalink
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Isn't there going to be a limit on international spending now with the new CBA?
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YEAH, D! EXAGGERATION IS FOR FOOLS!
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Why does BF keep deleting his posts? lol.
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I don't understand this post.
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A guy who only plays every 4-5 days should not be the league MVP.
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Old 11-21-2011, 10:26 PM    (permalink
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A guy who only plays every 4-5 days should not be the league MVP.
That's nice of you to say, but they're not exempt from the voting.

The criteria for MVP is very brief and very vague, but still manages to include the part about pitchers being eligible and under consideration.
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If only I were a sports writer.

Edit: Nothing against the guy. His Cy Young was well deserved. It's just my opinion about the award.
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If only I were a sports writer.

Edit: Nothing against the guy. His Cy Young was well deserved. It's just my opinion about the award.
That is what bothers me, though. It's fine if you wanna vote for a hitter because you genuinely thought they deserved it. But to leave someone of Verlander's caliber off your ballot because IN YOUR OPINION pitchers aren't eligible is directly in opposition to one of the few things actually stated in the voting criteria. You can't just make your own rules for the award and expect people to respect that.
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That's nice of you to say, but they're not exempt from the voting.

The criteria for MVP is very brief and very vague, but still manages to include the part about pitchers being eligible and under consideration.
I completely agree that pitchers should be eligible for the MVP, and Pedro Martinez should have two titles.

With that said, I don't think Verlander was deserving. He had a great year and absolutely earned the Cy Young, but did he contribute more to the Tigers than Jose Bautista contributed to the Jays, or Jacoby Elsbury contributed to the Red Sox?

I don't believe so.
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A player who contributes to his team's win/loss outcome 90% of the time will always be more valuable than the one who contributes 20% of the time.
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A pitcher has far more effect in their single game than most players do in 5 games, so it's not a difference here.
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Justin Verlander faced 969 total batters this year. Ryan Howard won it with 581 PAs a few years back doing jackshit in the field and we didn't hear a lot of people complain. Imperfect, but we've seen guys who aren't exceptional defenders win it before. Really don't buy the entire "pitcher can't have as big of an impact" stuff. Verlander deserved it.
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Justin Verlander faced 969 total batters this year. Ryan Howard won it with 581 PAs a few years back doing jackshit in the field and we didn't hear a lot of people complain. Imperfect, but we've seen guys who aren't exceptional defenders win it before. Really don't buy the entire "pitcher can't have as big of an impact" stuff. Verlander deserved it.
Woah, now. People complained profusely when Ryan Howard won the MVP over Pujols.
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When does the NL MVP get announced?
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In about a half hour. Rumor is that Braun won it though.
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No shock, would probably have gone with Kemp but clearly deserving. Thanks.
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I completely agree that pitchers should be eligible for the MVP, and Pedro Martinez should have two titles.

With that said, I don't think Verlander was deserving. He had a great year and absolutely earned the Cy Young, but did he contribute more to the Tigers than Jose Bautista contributed to the Jays, or Jacoby Elsbury contributed to the Red Sox?

I don't believe so.
Verlander contributed the absolute greatest amount to his team among any player whose contribution actually meant something to the playoff race.

Take Verlander off Detroit and they're sunk. Ellsbury was one of MANY all-star players in the Red Sox lineup. Bautista was so valuable, apparently, his team finished 4th by a longshot in the East.

I don't see how your chosen argument makes sense.
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Verlander contributed the absolute greatest amount to his team among any player whose contribution actually meant something to the playoff race.

Take Verlander off Detroit and they're sunk. Ellsbury was one of MANY all-star players in the Red Sox lineup. Bautista was so valuable, apparently, his team finished 4th by a longshot in the East.

I don't see how your chosen argument makes sense.
Probably not. You won by 15 games.
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In about a half hour. Rumor is that Braun won it though.
Thats ****** up...
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Yeah, I think they could have potentially lost more games if Cabrera missed the whole year.
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Probably not. You won by 15 games.
They pulled away at the end when the Indians and White Sox **** the bed. That is in no way a fair knock of Verlander's candidacy. JV won all of the games necessary against those teams when the race was close in late July and August.

They wouldn't have won the division without Verlander. Remember, Fister was only a Tiger for the last third of the season.
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Yeah, I think they could have potentially lost more games if Cabrera missed the whole year.
Cabrera only had MVP-type numbers for the last month and a half, basically when the division race was over. People were down on him for most of the year prior to that.

Verlander was his most dominant when there was a premium on the games.
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