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Old 01-30-2012, 03:30 PM    (permalink
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you know, the Tigers are gonna put up some insane numbers offensively this year with Cabrera and Fielder in the heart of that lineup. Cabrera in the 3-hole will without a doubt put up MVP numbers this fall. That's too much power to pitch around.

However...that infield defense is going to be awful. Cabrera at 3rd!? He wasn't even a great defensive first baseman and will have no range with his speed on the hot corner. It is well established how bad Fielder is defensively at first base. Some of the worst defensive numbers we've seen at first base last year, I was sure he would sign with an American League team this year as a DH. He sure isn't helping the team by playing the field. on top of those two terrible defensive corner infield spots, they have Peralta and his pathetic range at short stop. Gonna be a lot more base hits than there should be given up by the Tigers this year. Defense is a very underrated part of the game as well. Not 100% sure how much better the Fielder move makes the Tigers this year considering they won't have Victor in the lineup at DH, but they should still be able to hang onto the Central considering the Indians (as usual) didn't sign any real free agents and Carmona is in limbo with legal troubles.

Just my 2 cents on the Fielder signing.
You're pretty late to this party. Saying the Tigers infield will be poor defensively is obvious. But everyone needs to calm down about Cabrera being totally INCAPABLE of playing third base until we've seen it.

He's already lost weight, is continuing to lose more, and had gone to team management PRIOR to the possibility of signing Fielder and expressed his desire to play some third base this season. It's something he wants. This isn't a Hanley Ramirez situation where a player is not motivated to change positions. Cabrera has the arm and the hands to play a capable third base. It's his range that's the issue.

Also consider that Fielder is essentially replacing BRANDON INGE (.200 average, no power) in the lineup, not Victor Martinez. The difference in their hitting ability far outweighs the cost of the move defensively. There is hardly a larger gulf in offensive production anywhere in the majors than Fielder to Inge.
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You're pretty late to this party. Saying the Tigers infield will be poor defensively is obvious. But everyone needs to calm down about Cabrera being totally INCAPABLE of playing third base until we've seen it.

He's already lost weight, is continuing to lose more, and had gone to team management PRIOR to the possibility of signing Fielder and expressed his desire to play some third base this season. It's something he wants. This isn't a Hanley Ramirez situation where a player is not motivated to change positions. Cabrera has the arm and the hands to play a capable third base. It's his range that's the issue.

It's not a total disaster until it is.
Wait until he hits those Florida bars during ST.
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You're pretty late to this party. Saying the Tigers infield will be poor defensively is obvious. But everyone needs to calm down about Cabrera being totally INCAPABLE of playing third base until we've seen it.

He's already lost weight, is continuing to lose more, and had gone to team management PRIOR to the possibility of signing Fielder and expressed his desire to play some third base this season. It's something he wants. This isn't a Hanley Ramirez situation where a player is not motivated to change positions. Cabrera has the arm and the hands to play a capable third base. It's his range that's the issue.

Also consider that Fielder is essentially replacing BRANDON INGE (.200 average, no power) in the lineup, not Victor Martinez. The difference in their hitting ability far outweighs the cost of the move defensively. There is hardly a larger gulf in offensive production anywhere in the majors than Fielder to Inge.
But (for this season at least) he's not replacing Inge. Some other player is replacing Inge and Fielder is replacing Martinez. Now in 2013 it'll probably be Cabrera-Fielder-Martinez in the middle of that lineup and that will be an unstoppable force, but for this season I don't think the gains in the lineup will make up for the ineffifiencies in the field. Even if Cabrera is a little better than we think he'll be at third base, he won't be good at third. Having bad range instead of terrible range isn't that big of a deal when you have Peralta at short and Fielder at first to enhance that. It's okay to have a guy like Cabrera at third if you have in incredible middle infield like Alomar/Vizquel back in the late '90s, but that's not the case.

In any even, I definitely will be tuning in to some Tigers games to see how their infield holds up (and of course to see some Fielder/Cabrera fireworks at the plate).
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Wait until he hits those Florida bars during ST.
Cabby doesn't drink anymore. He sat in the corner quietly while everyone was drinking and celebrating the division title and the series win over the Yanks.
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Cabby doesn't drink anymore. He sat in the corner quietly while everyone was drinking and celebrating the division title and the series win over the Yanks.
Hamilton doesn't drink anymore either. I heard that until pictures came up on the internet of him partying with dancers.
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Hamilton doesn't drink anymore either. I heard that until pictures came up on the internet of him partying with dancers.
Cabby isn't a recovering heroin addict that has serious impulse issues. He just drank a lot here and there, and he's not nearly as bad.
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Cabby isn't a recovering heroin addict that has serious impulse issues. He just drank a lot here and there, and he's not nearly as bad.
Whatever gets you through the night.

At least Hamilton never did it before the biggest game of his career at the time. At least that we know of. It's only a matter of time before he hits the bottle hard again. He's a moron.
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Cabrera was a terrible 3B 60 pounds ago. He's going to much worse this time around.
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Whatever gets you through the night.

At least Hamilton never did it before the biggest game of his career at the time. At least that we know of. It's only a matter of time before he hits the bottle hard again. He's a moron.
Biggest game of his career was Game 6 of the 2003 World Series...
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Biggest game of his career was Game 6 of the 2003 World Series...
I forgot about that. Haha looked like a different person back then. That's what the booze will do.
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But (for this season at least) he's not replacing Inge. Some other player is replacing Inge and Fielder is replacing Martinez. Now in 2013 it'll probably be Cabrera-Fielder-Martinez in the middle of that lineup and that will be an unstoppable force, but for this season I don't think the gains in the lineup will make up for the ineffifiencies in the field. Even if Cabrera is a little better than we think he'll be at third base, he won't be good at third. Having bad range instead of terrible range isn't that big of a deal when you have Peralta at short and Fielder at first to enhance that. It's okay to have a guy like Cabrera at third if you have in incredible middle infield like Alomar/Vizquel back in the late '90s, but that's not the case.

In any even, I definitely will be tuning in to some Tigers games to see how their infield holds up (and of course to see some Fielder/Cabrera fireworks at the plate).
Well, I've said it before. I highly doubt Cabrera plays more than half his games THIS season at third base. I project 50% 3B, 15% 1B and 35% DH.

Many people in Michigan are questioning why Cabrera should be playing 3B this year (before VMart's return), but the answer is that it's even more unlikely this will work out well if Cabrera waits another year before acclimating to the hot corner again.
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Edwin Jackson looks to be settling for a year contract. Please Neal, sign the dude.
And what does that do for the Pirates?
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Cabrera at 3B isn't going to work. Doesn't hurt to try it out in spring but it's not going to work. He was forced from the position years ago for being poor there. By 2013, they'll find a way to move V-mart somehow and have Fielder/Cabrera split reps at 1B/DH going forward
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And what does that do for the Pirates?
Gives them an ace for at least the year. And if/when they get out of contention, they can trade him. Now if he signs a multi year deal with them, he could join Taillon and Cole.
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Gives them an ace for at least the year. And if/when they get out of contention, they can trade him. Now if he signs a multi year deal with them, he could join Taillon and Cole.
Sometimes, Hines, you're just sooo naive.
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Pirates have a lot of IFs this year, but I'm trying to be optimistic.
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Gives them an ace for at least the year. And if/when they get out of contention, they can trade him. Now if he signs a multi year deal with them, he could join Taillon and Cole.
I guess they could turn him for prospects at the deadline. In that regard, ok, it would make sense. But only if you could swap him.
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Edwin Jackson is going to end up playing for every MLB team.
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Old 01-31-2012, 04:14 PM    (permalink
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Edwin Jackson is going to end up playing for every MLB team.
He's Octavio Dotel, only younger.
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Gives them an ace for at least the year. And if/when they get out of contention, they can trade him. Now if he signs a multi year deal with them, he could join Taillon and Cole.
If we're going to throw the term Ace around in regard to Edwin Jackson, I feel worse for Pirates fans than I ever have before.
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If we're going to throw the term Ace around in regard to Edwin Jackson, I feel worse for Pirates fans than I ever have before.
Worded it wrong. He'd be their ace.
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And what does that do for the Pirates?
A prospect at the deadline.
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