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Old 01-28-2012, 08:08 PM    (permalink
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While this may be a ***** move by Harbs and quite possibly ******** tied to the fact of the Cam connection to Harbs prior to the NFL, truth is we may have had too much success this year as a team to get rid of him. Personally, if it was my decision Cundiff and Cam are finding their own way home from that last game. This may also be a result of Harbs seeing short commings in Flacco and overlooking the Vanilla bean offense that plagues this team and will continue to plague this team as apparently that whole "Cam under fire" spiel last offseason was just some ******** rah rah to make fans feel better about them not addressing the real issue.

Another head scratcher is the fact that were going to hire another QB coach to act as a go between for Joe and Cam after making Zorn a scape goat just one season prior. I've been a Harbs supporter, but its looking like the only way to get rid of Cam would be to get rid of Harbaugh which we wont do as long as we experience success.
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Caldwell should bring Manning with him to Baltimore. It won't ever happen, but I would be totally content trading Joe and getting a few decent years out of (IMO) the greatest quarterback ever.
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I dont mind the hiring on paper it looks good because Manning did improve when Caldwell was his QB coach. But chances are Caldwell will be a puppet to Cam and nothing will get accomplished.
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Sometimes, I really ******* hate the way this franchise is run. Make no mistake, we will never win a SB with Cameron and Caldwell on our offensive staff. You can quote that ****.
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Sometimes, I really ******* hate the way this franchise is run. Make no mistake, we will never win a SB with Cameron and Caldwell on our offensive staff. You can quote that ****.
When you take a step back and think about this comment, it makes you realize how blessed the team has been the past four years. Imagine if you were a Browns fan. They would be elated if they went to the playoffs 4 straight years with 2 AFC championship appearances. The Ravens are one of the best franchises in the league. Only one team ends up tasting glory at season's end.
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this is the truth, we are spoiled.
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Sometimes, I really ******* hate the way this franchise is run. Make no mistake, we will never win a SB with Cameron and Caldwell on our offensive staff. You can quote that ****.
Just because Caldwell was a polian puppet of a HC doesnt mean he cant be a good QB coach. Hell im sure Peyton taught Caldwell more about a offense then cameron even knows
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I see what you're saying, but at the end of the day it just pisses me off to know this offense could be so much better.
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We are spoiled... but we could be spoiled so much more if we had a different OC.

EDIT: I guess this isn't fair, he didn't call the worst game against the Pats. Still, I feel we won't be so lucky next year.
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yea but he still misues a lot of ppl. Imagine boldin permanetly in the slot like Welker, Pitta and Dickson at TE. Smith and Evans going deep and Rice out of the backfield. There is no excuse for not having a top 10 offense.
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Sometimes, I really ******* hate the way this franchise is run. Make no mistake, we will never win a SB with Cameron and Caldwell on our offensive staff. You can quote that ****.
You're a ******* moron. The team goes out and gets a solid, well established QB coach to be a calm, guiding force for Flacco and now that team that was a foot touching the ground a split second earlier from going to the Super Bowl is now bound to fail? What about Jim Caldwell's knowledge of quarterback play or offensive philosophies will be such a destructive force to this team's Super Bowl chances? Get out of here with that ignorant, reactionary b***s***.
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No need for personal attacks, but I agree this isnt a terrible pick up, the guy was a terrible HC but that doesnt mean we will go down the shitter because he is our QB coach.
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You're a ******* moron. The team goes out and gets a solid, well established QB coach to be a calm, guiding force for Flacco and now that team that was a foot touching the ground a split second earlier from going to the Super Bowl is now bound to fail? What about Jim Caldwell's knowledge of quarterback play or offensive philosophies will be such a destructive force to this team's Super Bowl chances? Get out of here with that ignorant, reactionary b***s***.
I fail to see anything ignorant about it. We've seen the ineffectiveness of Cam Cameron's system, and I hope I'm not the only one disappointed in the results so far, because clearly the offense is capable of much more. Cameron's ******** playcalling and his absolute refusal to adapt his system will once again **** us over next season. What exactly is Jim Caldwell going to bring to this franchise? It's another voice whispering in Flacco's ear, and you can bet your ass Cameron's enormous ego will get in the way of that as well. Look what happened last time we had a reportedly good QB coach. What massive improvements is Cam Cameron going to make to his offensive playbook this season? You read the Cosell excerpts, we're the most predictable offense in the league. Good luck hoping that will change bringing Cameron back and Caldwell.

I'll say it again, we will never win a Super Bowl as long as Cam Cameron is calling plays for us.
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You're a ******* moron. The team goes out and gets a solid, well established QB coach to be a calm, guiding force for Flacco and now that team that was a foot touching the ground a split second earlier from going to the Super Bowl is now bound to fail? What about Jim Caldwell's knowledge of quarterback play or offensive philosophies will be such a destructive force to this team's Super Bowl chances? Get out of here with that ignorant, reactionary b***s***.
Calm down man.

Your not wrong, this team was as close as you can get to going to the SB without pulling it off; and in that particular game, Cam called a good game.

However, this isn't to say that the team got to that point by having to overcome Cam's shortcomings on numerous occasions.

Caldwell coming in as a QB coach is good. He is in a position that does not exceed his competence (HC). However, all of his skills may be for not if it's the Cam Cam show again next year.

CAM can be that destructive force to a teams SB. I feel that people are combining this with Chuck's departure and feel that Harbs has made some bad personnel decisions which could affect our window.
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http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/r...,0,39106.story

Ozzie puts it nicely. I don't know if he's just BSing but I would like to think that there is something he saw that lent itself to him making this decision. Would be nice to know what the numbers he talks about were though.
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What was he supposed to say? This guy sucks and he is only back because he is harbs best friend? He said the right thing but IDK why anyone has faith in improvement w/ Cameron.
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http://www.baltimoregridironreport.c...ravens-review/

Take it for what it is.

Seems like Grubbs will not be back next year. I'm also confused by Ozzie's discussion of needs.

Interesting that cutting Evans next year would free up 5 mil in the cap though.

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Take it for what it is.

Seems like Grubbs will not be back next year. I'm also confused by Ozzie's discussion of needs.

Interesting that cutting Evans next year would free up 5 mil in the cap though.

Thoughts?
I could see Birk hanging them up and Grubbs leaving. Obviously this would not be an ideal scenario but its possible. I like signing Gurode to take over at center where I think he'd be a lot better than at guard. We could look to take a guy like Cordy Glenn in the draft and replace Grubbs or go with Jah Reid and live through the growing pains.

If Evans gets cut, I think we'll have a hard time getting a 3rd receiver. Because of talent and by design, the Ravens have never had a 3rd wideout get decent production. Most of the solid receivers on the market want starting jobs, so they won't be coming here to be third string and get little exposure. We'll have to hope Tandon Doss comes along. Just to note, Joe Flacco raved about the pick and said he was one of his guys. Great call Joe.

It seems that JJ or Cory Redding will be replaced with a younger guy. Maybe both. And we'll probably lose Zbi or Haruki. Ayanbadejo could leave. McClain could leave too. We'd have a much easier time if Joe takes a reasonable deal, but I'm sure he'll want 70+ million.
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I've pretty much counted Zibi as gone and to the Colts with Chuck as well as Ayan and JJ probably heads to the Jets.
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I encourage you all to check out my latest three round mock :)

Feedback would be awesome

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...45#post2848845
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I encourage you all to check out my latest three round mock :)

Feedback would be awesome

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/show...45#post2848845
Love it.

- Huge Brown fan
- Brewster is a 1st round talent going through a slump, so great value
- Crick is a 1st rounder if not for the injury, so excellent value here as well
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Sizzle named AP DPOY!

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Dude deserves it straight up. Allen had a good year and I wouldn't have blinked if it went to him but at the same token Suggs had one of "those" seasons.

I think it's funny that people bat an eye at this but you can't expect people to understand an OLB who didn't lead the league in sacks getting it.
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Flacco had more yards on less attempts and more TDs then Eli did Vs. the Patriots this post season. It breaks my heart knowing his talent is being wasted away by Cameron.
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