Baltimore Ravens Discussion - Page 14

coordinator0 · 05-09-2010, 12:08 PM

Davon Drew supposedly did very well in last years mini-camp as well. IMO these things don't mean anything, training camp is the real deal. Apparently Gaither has an injury to his foot and he's getting an MRI this week.

BigDawg819 · 05-09-2010, 12:21 PM

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Davon Drew supposedly did very well in last years mini-camp as well. IMO these things don't mean anything, training camp is the real deal. Apparently Gaither has an injury to his foot and he's getting an MRI this week.

Must of stubbed his toe in anticipation of moving to Buffalo

BmoreBlackByrdz · 05-09-2010, 01:38 PM

I think our FO is starting to frown away from trading Gaither. I think that's why they are moving him to RT. That way, if they do keep him, they will try and pay him RT money.

BigDawg819 · 05-09-2010, 01:52 PM

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I think our FO is starting to frown away from trading Gaither. I think that's why they are moving him to RT. That way, if they do keep him, they will try and pay him RT money.

Any agent can argue that his age and experience warrant him more money. The Ravens aren't going to pay him, thus are getting something of value for him.

RavenMadness · 05-09-2010, 03:06 PM

I still can't get over you guys thinking we have a top 5 tackle tandem...

BmoreBlackByrdz · 05-09-2010, 03:35 PM

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I still can't get over you guys thinking we have a top 5 tackle tandem...

we are.

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Any agent can argue that his age and experience warrant him more money. The Ravens aren't going to pay him, thus are getting something of value for him.

you're definitely right there, but if we can pay him RT money and still keep Ngata, I think that is the best path to take. It is unlikely, but I won't rule it out. Biscotti says he'll pay a player, as long as he is worth it. If Gaither works his butt off and proves that we can invest a long-term deal into him, then it'll happen.

Another possibility, we are playing him at RT, so we can franchise him as a RT, not a LT this upcoming off season.

BigDawg819 · 05-09-2010, 03:51 PM

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we are.

you're definitely right there, but if we can pay him RT money and still keep Ngata, I think that is the best path to take. It is unlikely, but I won't rule it out. Biscotti says he'll pay a player, as long as he is worth it. If Gaither works his butt off and proves that we can invest a long-term deal into him, then it'll happen.

Another possibility, we are playing him at RT, so we can franchise him as a RT, not a LT this upcoming off season.

Problem is, he doesn't. Hasn't to date and no reason to think it will change.

RavenMadness · 05-09-2010, 04:18 PM

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we are.

you're definitely right there, but if we can pay him RT money and still keep Ngata, I think that is the best path to take. It is unlikely, but I won't rule it out. Biscotti says he'll pay a player, as long as he is worth it. If Gaither works his butt off and proves that we can invest a long-term deal into him, then it'll happen.

Another possibility, we are playing him at RT, so we can franchise him as a RT, not a LT this upcoming off season.

Did you not just read my post lol. Clearly the Ravens don't have a top 5 tackle tandem. I'll say top 10 and with Gaither ahs top 3 potential. But, clearly my above post points out the other teams that are better then us in that department.

BigDawg819 · 05-09-2010, 04:23 PM

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Did you not just read my post lol. Clearly the Ravens don't have a top 5 tackle tandem. I'll say top 10 and with Gaither ahs top 3 potential. But, clearly my above post points out the other teams that are better then us in that department.

Clearly you're arguing semantics under the foolish notion that your opinion is gospel. Sorry its really not. There will be no clear view on whether they are or are not because there is too many variables. So get over it and we will all get along :)

coordinator0 · 05-09-2010, 04:24 PM

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we are.

you're definitely right there, but if we can pay him RT money and still keep Ngata, I think that is the best path to take. It is unlikely, but I won't rule it out. Biscotti says he'll pay a player, as long as he is worth it. If Gaither works his butt off and proves that we can invest a long-term deal into him, then it'll happen.

Another possibility, we are playing him at RT, so we can franchise him as a RT, not a LT this upcoming off season.

I'm pretty sure you can't franchise an OL specifically as a LT, RT, etc. It's all under one OL tag.

RavenMadness · 05-09-2010, 04:27 PM

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Clearly you're arguing semantics under the foolish notion that your opinion is gospel. Sorry its really not. There will be no clear view on whether they are or are not because there is too many variables. So get over it and we will all get along :)

Ugh...this is the problem with posting on team boards. So many homers. I love the Ravens just as much as the next guy, but declaring us a top 5 tackle tandem is the biggest slap in the face to the teams I mentioned. Let's give credit to where credit is due.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 05-09-2010, 04:38 PM

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I'm pretty sure you can't franchise an OL specifically as a LT, RT, etc. It's all under one OL tag.

Oh, then I can't see why we're putting him at RT, it's a smart financial move, but I just don't see it.

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Ugh...this is the problem with posting on team boards. So many homers. I love the Ravens just as much as the next guy, but declaring us a top 5 tackle tandem is the biggest slap in the face to the teams I mentioned. Let's give credit to where credit is due.

dude, relax. It's my opinion. if you don't like it, then move along and get on with your life. I didn't say all the other tandems suck, I just said the Ravens have a top 5 tandem. And I am the farthest thing from a homer and I always give credit to where it is due.

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Problem is, he doesn't. Hasn't to date and no reason to think it will change.

true, and many people believe that this "foot" injury is his way of saying "he's not pleased" with being moved to RT. He's having an MRI soon, so we'll see whats going on.

coordinator0 · 05-09-2010, 04:43 PM

Titans - Roos and Stewart. They have the best pair of tackles in the league, there shouldn't be much debate about that.

Jets - Ferguson has developed into what he was supposed to be coming out, a great LT who's better in pass protection than than run blocking. Not to say that he isn't a good run blocker, just that he isn't great at it. Woody on the other hand isn't much of a pass protector. If we keep Gaither on the left side and Oher on the right side, I'd give us a push with them. The difference between Gaither and Ferguson and Woody and Oher balances out IMO.

Broncos - I really like the Broncos offensive tackles. Clady is better than Gaither, there isn't much doubt about that, although he did give up quite a few QB pressures (it's not all about sacks allowed when you look at stats for OL). Harris is a nice RT and one of the better ones in the league but is he really better than Oher? I doubt it, especially in the run blocking department.

Saints - Apparently they're trying to move Jamaal Brown, and I can see why when they have Bushrod and the newly drafted Charles Brown. Brown is better than Gaither, but can you really argue that Bushrod and/or Brown are? Stinchcomb definitely isn't better than Oher, c'mon man. Ask the Saints board yourself.

There are also some other teams you guys are forgetting about. The Panthers IMO are right up there in the best tackle tandem department and I'd take Gross and Otah any day. Staley and Davis for the 49ers have to be up there in terms of good young tandems. Really this is all the opinion of the individuals looking at other teams and how certain players fit into their teams' schemes. Would Clady and Harris really be as good in Baltimore with our scheme as they would in Denver? I doubt it. Not one person's opinion is any better/more valued than another's, especially since not one of us (I'd bet nearly anything on this) has experience with NFL personnel and such. We're just posters on a fan forum for crying out loud.

RavenMadness · 05-09-2010, 05:01 PM

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Titans - Roos and Stewart. They have the best pair of tackles in the league, there shouldn't be much debate about that.

Jets - Ferguson has developed into what he was supposed to be coming out, a great LT who's better in pass protection than than run blocking. Not to say that he isn't a good run blocker, just that he isn't great at it. Woody on the other hand isn't much of a pass protector. If we keep Gaither on the left side and Oher on the right side, I'd give us a push with them. The difference between Gaither and Ferguson and Woody and Oher balances out IMO.

Broncos - I really like the Broncos offensive tackles. Clady is better than Gaither, there isn't much doubt about that, although he did give up quite a few QB pressures (it's not all about sacks allowed when you look at stats for OL). Harris is a nice RT and one of the better ones in the league but is he really better than Oher? I doubt it, especially in the run blocking department.

Saints - Apparently they're trying to move Jamaal Brown, and I can see why when they have Bushrod and the newly drafted Charles Brown. Brown is better than Gaither, but can you really argue that Bushrod and/or Brown are? Stinchcomb definitely isn't better than Oher, c'mon man. Ask the Saints board yourself.

There are also some other teams you guys are forgetting about. The Panthers IMO are right up there in the best tackle tandem department and I'd take Gross and Otah any day. Staley and Davis for the 49ers have to be up there in terms of good young tandems. Really this is all the opinion of the individuals looking at other teams and how certain players fit into their teams' schemes. Would Clady and Harris really be as good in Baltimore with our scheme as they would in Denver? I doubt it. Not one person's opinion is any better/more valued than another's, especially since not one of us (I'd bet nearly anything on this) has experience with NFL personnel and such. We're just posters on a fan forum for crying out loud.

That was a great post. I agree with almost everything except I would in fact take the Broncos, Panthers, Jets, and Saints tackle tandem ahead of the Ravens tandem. I love our tandem and think it has the potential to be something special but as of now I don't see it. The biggest problem is that some of these teams run the zone scheme and have smaller tackles that rely on athleticism and quickness (getting that backside cut). The Ravens are a power team that wants big ole' maulers. Sure, they run the zone from time to time. But, their mainly a power blocking team.

BigDawg819 · 05-09-2010, 07:33 PM

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Ugh...this is the problem with posting on team boards. So many homers. I love the Ravens just as much as the next guy, but declaring us a top 5 tackle tandem is the biggest slap in the face to the teams I mentioned. Let's give credit to where credit is due.

The problem is thinking one's opinion is more valid then the next. There is no definitive way to prove one opinion is more valid then the next.

Hines · 05-09-2010, 08:12 PM

Max Starks and Willie Colon are better than Oher and Gaither. :D

BigDawg819 · 05-09-2010, 08:50 PM

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Max Starks and Willie Colon are better than Oher and Gaither. :D

Well they did get a head start on the golf start this past season ;)

TACKLE · 05-09-2010, 09:03 PM

I would rank the Tackle tandems like this.

1. Tennessee - Roos and Stewart
2. Carolina - Gross and Otah
3. Ravens - Oher and Gaither
4. Broncos - Clady and Harris
5. Jets - Ferguson and Woody

BmoreBlackByrdz · 05-09-2010, 09:06 PM

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I would rank the Tackle tandems like this.

1. Tennessee - Roos and Stewart
2. Carolina - Gross and Otah
3. Ravens - Oher and Gaither
4. Broncos - Clady and Harris
5. Jets - Ferguson and Woody

I agree with this list here.

however #3,4 and 5 are interchangeable IMHO

Hines · 05-09-2010, 09:07 PM

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Well they did get a head start on the golf start this past season ;)

That's fine. The Steelers beat your Ravens 5 of the passed 7 times they've played and will continue to do so this season. :D

BigDawg819 · 05-09-2010, 09:09 PM

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That's fine. The Steelers beat your Ravens 5 of the passed 7 times they've played and will continue to do so this season. :D

And we beat the lowly Raiders while your Steelers couldn't.

Hines · 05-09-2010, 09:10 PM

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And we beat the lowly Raiders while your Steelers couldn't.

Well! Well! If JaFattass didn't play, the Raiders would have won!!!

coordinator0 · 05-09-2010, 09:16 PM

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And we beat the lowly Raiders while your Steelers couldn't.

Don't forget Kansas City ;). Anyways, that was last season so it doesn't really matter.

Hines · 05-09-2010, 09:17 PM

I think we'll split this season and we both will contend for the division.

BigDawg819 · 05-09-2010, 09:19 PM

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I think we'll split this season and we both will contend for the division.

I think you should find other ways to fulfill yourself then cause drama on a subforum of Ravens' fans. :P

Seriously I will make no predictions on this season until oh I don't know ITS NOT MAY!