Baltimore Ravens Discussion - Page 140

A Perfect Score · 02-15-2012, 10:47 AM

Hell, sign Rice long term now, franchise Grubbs and trade his ass for a second rounder if we're set on letting him go. I absolutely hate when teams let elite talent walk for nothing, and while he has lapses at times, Ben Grubbs is easily a Top 10 OG in the NFL.

drd23 · 02-16-2012, 03:33 AM

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I don't. Franchise QB's get paid. I fully expect Flacco to make about 9-10 million dollars per year in his new contract, a figure that will probably prevent us from retaining Ben Grubbs, who is a much better player then Flacco. Unfortunately, the NFL is a QB's world, and with Ray Rice and Ladarius Webb also needing new contracts, it looks like we're SoL as far as the offensive line is concerned.

I have so little faith in Flacco and the FO for the coming season. Do you guys really believe that 20 TDs, 3600 yards and an 80.9 QB rating from a 4th year QB is worth 10 mill a season? I'm not sure I do.

I've been arguing at another site that he really only deserves to be paid $8-10m/year, and as such I'd be happy paying him that much because he is going to be paid more than that.

I'd read a couple of articles based in statistics that have figured out the value of a QB by figuring out how performance in certain metrics = $$$. And both, using different metrics came up with Flacco being worth ~$8m/year.

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Is Gurode coming back next season or was he here on just a 1 year deal?

It was a 1 year deal, but that is not to say that he won't be back of course

Ngatachance92 · 02-16-2012, 03:55 AM

Personally, I think QBs in particular but really every player should get smaller contracts with more escalators and incentives that are performance based. That being said, Flacco is going to get paid more than many think he is worth because that is how this league works. Every QB signed between now and when they finally do get the deal done has potential of driving the number even further up the fiscal ladder. I really hope we get his deal done before the Brees deal.

TACKLE · 02-16-2012, 05:06 AM

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Personally, I think QBs in particular but really every player should get smaller contracts with more escalators and incentives that are performance based. That being said, Flacco is going to get paid more than many think he is worth because that is how this league works. Every QB signed between now and when they finally do get the deal done has potential of driving the number even further up the fiscal ladder. I really hope we get his deal done before the Brees deal.

Yeah true, good point.

Though that makes me think, although everyone in the organization stayed very loyal to Joe, the huge amount of criticism he took this year does kind of play into the hands of the organization as far as contract leverage as far as his perceived value. I hate to bring this up again but I can't help but think that had Evan's foot come down half a second earlier, Flacco would have demanded and probably got more money. It's funny/crazy how it works sometimes.

America · 02-16-2012, 12:50 PM

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I've been arguing at another site that he really only deserves to be paid $8-10m/year, and as such I'd be happy paying him that much because he is going to be paid more than that.

I'd read a couple of articles based in statistics that have figured out the value of a QB by figuring out how performance in certain metrics = $$$. And both, using different metrics came up with Flacco being worth ~$8m/year.

It was a 1 year deal, but that is not to say that he won't be back of course

If only Flacco's agent could get his head out of his ass and see that he's not a top 5 quarterback. I'm so sick of hearing about his W-L record. He's ridden one of the top 2 defenses of the past decade to success.

coordinator0 · 02-16-2012, 02:29 PM

This is where my faith in the front office needs to come into effect. Please talk Linta down, Flacco didn't the W-L record himself and he shouldn't be paid solely because of it. I know the QB position is viewed differently than others but you NEVER hear about a W-L record when guys who play other highly important positions such as OT, CB, DE, etc. need new contracts.

niel89 · 02-16-2012, 02:51 PM

Joe is gonna be payed big time because he is a QB and a pretty good one at that. He will be paid as a top 5 QB because its the most recent contract for a good QB.

Like it or not W-L record is always a huge part of being a QB. No other position has the level of influence on a game as the QB.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 02-16-2012, 08:27 PM

Despite all of Joe's flaws and whatnot, you can't say that we would have made the playoffs the past four years with someone like Mark Sanchez, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassell, or Jay Cutler at the helm. Hell, I couldn't even see Tony Romo or Matt Schaub leading this team to the playoffs.

I'm not saying Joe's up there with Brady, Brees, Manningx2, and Co. and I too don't believe that he deserves TOP 5 money but he's going to get a big contract regardless, that's just how the NFL is.

I honestly think the biggest offseason mistake has already been made, and that is the promotion of grandpa Dean Pees to Defensive Coordinator. It's gonna be bad folks.

A Perfect Score · 02-16-2012, 09:23 PM

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Despite all of Joe's flaws and whatnot, you can't say that we would have made the playoffs the past four years with someone like Mark Sanchez, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Matt Cassell, or Jay Cutler at the helm. Hell, I couldn't even see Tony Romo or Matt Schaub leading this team to the playoffs.

I'm not saying Joe's up there with Brady, Brees, Manningx2, and Co. and I too don't believe that he deserves TOP 5 money but he's going to get a big contract regardless, that's just how the NFL is.

I honestly think the biggest offseason mistake has already been made, and that is the promotion of grandpa Dean Pees to Defensive Coordinator. It's gonna be bad folks.

I will take Jay Cutler 100X out of 100 over Joe Flacco, and it isnt even close. That's absolutely asinine. Tony Romo and Matt Schaub are also much, MUCH better QBs then Flacco. Suggesting otherwise is absolutely ridiculous.

thegreatone · 02-17-2012, 02:25 PM

I'll be shocked if anyone actually agrees with me, but I'd franchise Rice, and trade him if someone offered a top 25 pick.

Rice is an elite back, but hes almost become a crutch to the offense. We are way too reliant on him. The running game just isn't as important as it used to be. Maybe if Rice left, Cam would finally start using more than 2 WR's.

niel89 · 02-17-2012, 02:35 PM

No. In no way would I trade away Rice. He is a 25 year old RB who is near the top in rushing and receiving ability. Most of the time we complain that he isn't used enough. I don't even think there is another RB in the league I would trade for Rice right now. .

coordinator0 · 02-17-2012, 02:44 PM

You don't give away one of the best offensive weapons in the NFL for a top 25 pick. Sure we rely on him but that's because he's such a good player. He doesn't just affect the running game, he's a big factor in the passing game as well and he would be anywhere else he would go.

A Perfect Score · 02-17-2012, 04:49 PM

Why the hell would we trade our only elite offensive player? For a Top 25 pick? Sure, maybe if someone offered a Top 10 pick you think about it. Even then I doubt we do it.

Ngatachance92 · 02-17-2012, 04:56 PM

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I'll be shocked if anyone actually agrees with me, but I'd franchise Rice, and trade him if someone offered a top 25 pick.

Rice is an elite back, but hes almost become a crutch to the offense. We are way too reliant on him. The running game just isn't as important as it used to be. Maybe if Rice left, Cam would finally start using more than 2 WR's.

That's just madness, we don't have a RB on the roster to replace him so what? Are we going to use that top 25 pick to..... draft a runningback? You were right in thinking that noone would agree with you because its just not a good idea and not in the least bit plausible. We rely on Ray Rice because he's the best offensive weapon and without him we wouldn't be able to do what we do in the passing game because instead of the running back now they are focused on the passing game.

coordinator0 · 02-17-2012, 04:58 PM

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Why the hell would we trade our only elite offensive player? For a Top 25 pick? Sure, maybe if someone offered a Top 10 pick you think about it. Even then I doubt we do it.

Let's assume we get a top 5-10 pick. Is trading Rice for one of Blackmon, Rieff, Coples, etc. even close to a good deal? The answer is a resounding no. I guess we could draft Richardson to replace him but what's the point? Bad, bad idea.

TACKLE · 02-17-2012, 06:19 PM

Word is Flacco's deal will fall between 10-16 mil.

drd23 · 02-17-2012, 07:43 PM

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Word is Flacco's deal will fall between 10-16 mil.

WTF? Since when did Flacco become a QB of the same quality of Eli/Rivers/Roethlisberger?

Ngatachance92 · 02-17-2012, 07:54 PM

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WTF? Since when did Flacco become a QB of the same quality of Eli/Rivers/Roethlisberger?

Since when did the league start paying people according to what they are worth? Players are paid based on deals that others have gotten at that position, those deals were made in the past so are a basis for what Flacco will be paid.

Ravens1991 · 02-17-2012, 08:02 PM

This off season is going to make me puke. I just wanna hibernate from football, wake up for the draft and wake up for pre-season with a new kicker other then Cundiff. Maybe that will ease the pain.

thegreatone · 02-17-2012, 09:11 PM

Its already made me puke. Cam Cameron is still here.

It can't get any worse than that....

TACKLE · 02-19-2012, 01:54 AM

Now that ERU is never around, I swear you guys are trying to compensate by being a bunch of Debby Downers.

Ravens1991 · 02-19-2012, 02:07 AM

He hated and wanted us to fire Ozzie Newsome. It is impossible to be a bigger debbie downer then that.

Ngatachance92 · 02-19-2012, 02:07 AM

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Now that ERU is never around, I swear you guys are trying to compensate by being a bunch of Debby Downers.

It was a hard loss, hopefully that's it. We put a quality product on the field year after year and there are a lot of teams in this league that wish they could lose the way that we did. They'll come around sometime in the preseason I suspect.

America · 02-20-2012, 02:19 PM

Big Dawg was worse than ERU. He thought everyone should be fired except for Kyle Boller, who for some reason he thought was a good quarterback.

BmoreBlackByrdz · 02-20-2012, 04:10 PM

I still don't understand why/how those two supported Boller so damn much yet bag the hell outta Flacco.