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Old 08-26-2013, 02:46 PM    (permalink
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And now you guys see why I predicted for Jesse to be dead by the end of the season.

It has to go down.
I don't think there were many people resistant to the idea that Jesse would die. If you said he was going to die with four episodes remaining in the series, I think that would have drawn some naysayers.
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I don't think there were many people resistant to the idea that Jesse would die. If you said he was going to die with four episodes remaining in the series, I think that would have drawn some naysayers.
A lot of people in here wanted to think both him and Walt would survive and go their separate ways in the end. It's just too easy to forget how much Walt has wronged Jesse (which came to a head last nite as we all saw), but there was no way the lies wouldn't catch up to Walt with Jesse.
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I don't remember at all what happened in The Shield finale.

And Breaking Bad is not nearly as good as The Wire. Nothing is.
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I don't remember at all what happened in The Shield finale.

And Breaking Bad is not nearly as good as The Wire. Nothing is.
No spoilers here please.
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I don't remember at all what happened in The Shield finale.

And Breaking Bad is not nearly as good as The Wire. Nothing is.
Assuming this season closes well for BB, I think you are wrong and a lot of people agree.
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Breaking Bad is an entertaining comic book with an edge. Extremely well done. But the people are caricatures and the point of the show is to entertain. It's amazing story telling, yes.

The Wire is a masterpiece with a brilliant original story, like Breaking Bad. But it's meaning is so much more important because it's grounded in a harsh reality. A modern day Greek tragedy. It's has way more layers is just a profound journey that cuts deeper and farther because of how real it is.
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You have succeeded in diminishing a hell of a lot of impressive components of Breaking Bad.

Breaking Bad blows other shows out of the water when it comes to cinematography, production and set design and music choices. Those things elevate the show's plot and character elements to even greater heights.

And I'm damn certain that Walter White's arc could be aptly described as a Greek tragedy.
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I will admit to not being as interested in cinematography, production and set elements, and music as much as plot and story depth and meaning.

I suppose it's preference - but The Wire is as real as it gets. When you consider that PLUS the fact that it's an insanely well done and entertaining original story (right there with BB, which is intentionally a comic book with characters that only resemble real people), the whole package is incredible. It's a masterpiece unrivaled by any other TV show.
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I flatly disagree with your suggestion that Breaking Bad lacks in story depth, plot and meaning, but I just wanted to make my point about the rest of those "secondary" elements of a great show.

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This is just an absurd suggestion, man. You're not watching The Walking Dead.

The Wire's hyper-realism doesn't equate to greatness for greatness' sake. It didn't strive to be a documentary, just as you say Breaking Bad strove to be a comic book.
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In general, I think BB characters have much more depth than the characters in The Wire.
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Well there are only like 5 characters that Breaking Bad really focuses on. The Wire had roughly 50 great characters.
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Well there are only like 5 characters that Breaking Bad really focuses on. The Wire has roughly 50 great characters.
Yeah, and that is a massive part of what makes the Wire great, but that is not what gpngc is arguing.
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Yeah, and that is a massive part of what makes the Wire great, but that is not what gpngc is arguing.
My point is that its a lot easier to create in-depth characters when you only have like 5 to focus on compared to a boatload of them battling for screen time. Not that im discounting the writing in BB at all, just something that came to mind when I read the character depth comments.
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I think it's perfectly fine to prefer The Wire to Breaking Bad, but it's really not fair to say one is of greater quality than the other. The shows didn't strive for the same things. They aren't comparable in every way.
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Well my point is that its a lot easier to create in-depth characters when you only have like 5 to focus on compared to a boatload of them battling for screen time. Not that im discounting the writing in BB at all, just something that came to mind when I read the character depth comments.
Absolutely and I wouldn't argue that point. It's just not the one he was making.
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I don't think I've ever seen a show of around 70 episodes feel like one big season. The first season was written like they already knew what was going to happen in the final episode. The storytelling aspect of this show is virtually unrivaled.
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I don't think there were many people resistant to the idea that Jesse would die. If you said he was going to die with four episodes remaining in the series, I think that would have drawn some naysayers.
It wouldn't shock me at all if they did that and left the rest of the time to the family.
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I do want to watch the Shield. Too busy at the moment though.
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Doesn't the fact that Breaking Bad built to a ridiculous crescendo rather than failing to replicate the greatness of early seasons improve its standing as a series?

I'd argue yes.
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My point is that its a lot easier to create in-depth characters when you only have like 5 to focus on compared to a boatload of them battling for screen time. Not that im discounting the writing in BB at all, just something that came to mind when I read the character depth comments.
while it is a fair point you also have to take into account that The Wire was an hour long HBO series where as Breaking bad is closer to 45 minutes of air time.
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