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Old 09-11-2013, 10:56 PM    (permalink
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So you think Hank somehow escaping this entirely would be a good thing?
It wouldn't be entirely realistic and it wouldn't fit with the flash forward. But I do think after the phone call to his wife, if he was going to die here, he would have died in this episode. Plus, I like Hank so I hope he somehow lives.
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Hank is the worst. Looking forward to him dying.
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Hank is the worst. Looking forward to him dying.
Yeah after everything that happened last half of the season for me to hate Walt, I think Hank is even more dislikable right now. Even considering everything Walt has done, hes at least shown he isnt completely over the line in trying to keep Hank and Jesse alive through all of this. Hank and Marie both show no regard for how any of this will effect the family and just want to bring Walt down. As much as Marie says she cares about the children, shes shown no concern over their mental stability upon learning the truth about their parents. Walt was out of the game and it would have stayed that way had Hank just dropped it. Then again, no way should Walt get away with everything hes done. They all deserve whats coming to them.
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I'm not sure how anyone could hate Hank. Yes, he is now going after our boy with no mercy, but can you blame him?!!

If you hate Hank, you are heartless sir.

Edit: Oh you too Jvig??? damn it!
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How can you not find Hank despicable right now? The way he shows no concern over anything else outside of catching Walt? Be it peoples lives (Jesse's, Skylar's, Walt jr and Hailey, Gomez to a lesser extent), his family, his own rep, all he cares about is catching Walt no matter who gets hurt doing it. Sounds awfully familiar to the transformation of Walt to me. The only person I sympathize with, and most people on here do, is Jesse.
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Here is the thing (for me understanding Hanks POV), Hank just realized he has been lied to for years by Walt and basically made a fool of the entire time. That is not easy for anyone to take, especially once he probably thinks about how he went over this case numerous times with Walt (in his room when he was rehabbing, when he took Walt with him to watch Gus, laundry mat where the drug lab was, etc, etc). Then on top of it all that, he knows this whole Heisenberg situation is what led to him being attacked and almost paralyzed for life. On top of all this, it would ruin his career if someone else had ever caught Walt because no one would believe the great Hank would not have known that was going on in his own family. Obviously, Hank doesn't care if Jesse dies, but I don't think we could say that when it comes to Gomez or Walt Jr or anyone outside of Walt and Sky.

For me, what was way worse, was Walt trying to talk to the same boy he almost poisoned to death while trying to set up Jesse's death like he is a concerned friend. Yes, he has to kill Jesse at that point, but by doing that stuff? And then he calls Jesse a coward??
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I think Hank is awesome. We're pretty clearly supposed to see the similarities between Hank and Walt in that each of their goals has consumed their lives completely. The scene where Hank tells Marie he caught Walt reminded me a lot of Walt telling Sky he was out and it was all finally over.

And I definitely can't see Hank dying here. It just would have been too good of an episode ending to save it for next week.
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surprisingly i dont wish the death of Skylar as much this 2nd half of the season
and you make a good point smooth changes my outlook on what hank has turned into.
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I have no problem with Hank going hardcore after Walt. If I'm Hank, this is how I see it. Walt was connected with the biggest, most violent drug lords in North America (possibly the world). He murdered multiple people. He poisoned children. He distributed hardcore drugs. He broke tons more laws. Why should he have regards for a guy's family who obviously has no regard for anyone else.

Hank is a law enforcement agent. He took an oath to protect and uphold the Constitution and enforce all laws, whether local, state, or federal. Many people honor that oath (even above their own family). I can't imagine Hank would completely disregard ideals he fought for his entire career just for his brother-in-law. Especially one with a total disregard for the laws Hank fights for everyday.
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I have no problem with Hank going hardcore after Walt. If I'm Hank, this is how I see it. Walt was connected with the biggest, most violent drug lords in North America (possibly the world). He murdered multiple people. He poisoned children. He distributed hardcore drugs. He broke tons more laws. Why should he have regards for a guy's family who obviously has no regard for anyone else.

Hank is a law enforcement agent. He took an oath to protect and uphold the Constitution and enforce all laws, whether local, state, or federal. Many people honor that oath (even above their own family). I can't imagine Hank would completely disregard ideals he fought for his entire career just for his brother-in-law. Especially one with a total disregard for the laws Hank fights for everyday.
This is the best part to me, and I love people that think this way about the law. Hank himself has broken countless laws and oaths he took to catch Walt through this series and if there's one thing that pisses me off in real life, it's police holding you accountable for following every law to its full extent yet think they themselves are above it and can break them if it so suits them. Especially when you're letting someone helping you (the only one who could help you at this point) hang out to dry and hope he gets killed in the process. It's ****** police work. Not to mention he's probably going to get Gomez killed in the process for not following protocol process and reporting Walt, and the danger he's putting his family (Walt jr, hailey) because he's going about it like this.
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I've never really "liked" Hank much. He's just a dickhead macho man DEA officer who thinks he's better than everyone else.

He'd be a cool uncle to have though. Walt Jr. is a lucky man.
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I've never really "liked" Hank much. He's just a dickhead macho man DEA officer who thinks he's better than everyone else.

He'd be a cool uncle to have though. Walt Jr. is a lucky man.
I can get behind this. I just think hank is absolutely "breaking bad" as cliche as that sounds with the way he's gone about trying to catch Walt. He's shown an apparent disregard for those oaths he took, his family, and friends because he's obsessed with catching Walt- despite the fact that he no longer was affiliated with the meth business a this point that we know of.
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Just saw the episode. Given that Walt survives, Todd and his crew are ultimately dead regardless of who else lives, right? I mean, opening fire on Heisenberg and his family isn't a rock solid idea.
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Just saw the episode. Given that Walt survives, Todd and his crew are ultimately dead regardless of who else lives, right? I mean, opening fire on Heisenberg and his family isn't a rock solid idea.
I don't see any way in which the Nazis don't come away with the upper hand and control of this situation.
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I don't see any way in which the Nazis don't come away with the upper hand and control of this situation.
I'm not thinking immediately. I'm thinking about the assault rifle in the trunk after Walt has secured a new identity. Or possibly something between now and then.

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I'm not thinking immediately. I'm thinking about the assault rifle in the trunk after Walt has secured a new identity. Or possibly something between now and then.
I dig your thinking that the gun in the trunk is meant for the Nazis....like he is coming back to finish business.
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I hope they don't do this, but the Nazis also suddenly seem like the best bet for a Scarface-style final shootout ("Everyone dies in this movie") if they decide to take it in that direction.

I also don't understand the hatred towards Hank. If this were a cop show and he played our protagonist, the overzealous cop who will stop at nothing to end Heisenberg's reign of terror, then everybody would hate Heisenberg and cheer for our favorite protocol-breaking cop.

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Well... when you break it down as far as you can, Walt did this for his family (though his ego has complicated things) and Hank is doing it for notoriety. I don't think he cares about cleaning up the streets or other people in general.. He's trying to take advantage of people and putting other lives on the line to catch the main villain.

Also, he's been a dick to his wife. I know nobody likes her, but still. He doesn't have many redeeming qualities to me.
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Is he really doing it for notoriety when Walt's arrest is going to make him look like an idiot and get him fired though?
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I'm usually with you jvig but I completely disagree about Hank. I don't understand how he is "despicable" when Walt is a mass murderer that just cares about protecting his own skin, and all of a sudden Hank trying to save his career (that Walt ruined then tried to pin everything on him) is despicable. I don't even know you could come to that conclusion, honestly.
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Honestly if Hank doesn't die next episode I'm going to be rather disappointed. Breaking Bad has never really had a super hero type moment in the entire series. Having Hank survive at this point would kinda kill any realism the show had.
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Gus walked out of a room half blown up to adjust his tie. But he then died. I guess that doesn't qualify as a super hero moment.
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Honestly if Hank doesn't die next episode I'm going to be rather disappointed. Breaking Bad has never really had a super hero type moment in the entire series. Having Hank survive at this point would kinda kill any realism the show had.
Hank surviving with the two brothers attacking him in the parking lot wasn't a super hero type moment??
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