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Old 04-19-2010, 05:11 PM    (permalink
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I really hope this means the Eagles pass up on Daryl Washington in the 2nd.

I don't want to see Washington on the Eagles. Dude is a beast, and hopefully Ernie Simms continues to suck for the Eagles and costs them the chance to nab Washington.
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I really hope this means the Eagles pass up on Daryl Washington in the 2nd.

I don't want to see Washington on the Eagles. Dude is a beast, and hopefully Ernie Simms continues to suck for the Eagles and costs them the chance to nab Washington.
Wow, first time you don’t like a move the Eagles make, when I saw on the forum home page you commented on this I was expecting a pro Philly post.
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Wow, first time you don’t like a move the Eagles make, when I saw on the forum home page you commented on this I was expecting a pro Philly post.
Actually, I didn't like a couple of moves they made.

Didn't like the Sheldon Brown trade, didn't like trading McNabb within the division, didn't like letting go of Weatherspoon, and I don't like this trade.

I generally like what they do, and the proof is in the pudding with Philly bc they are consistent winners, but I question some of the moves they made this offseason.

To clarify though, I can understand why they traded Sheldon considering his age/contract, I understand letting go of Spoon, and I understand the value they got in return for McNabb.

But I still feel that the moves weren't worth it. Spoon left for nothing, having Sheldon for a year is worth more than a 5th to me, and the extra 3rd/4th they got out of McNabb is not worth competing against him for the next 4 years within the division.
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If anyone has read the Lions forum you would know we have been calling for Sims to get traded or released for two years now. He hasn't been remotely close to good since the middle of his second season. I wish him luck in Philly, but I'm ecstatic we actually got something for his worthless ass.
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I really hope this means the Eagles pass up on Daryl Washington in the 2nd.

I don't want to see Washington on the Eagles. Dude is a beast, and hopefully Ernie Simms continues to suck for the Eagles and costs them the chance to nab Washington.
Well you are off the hook with that, Washignton will not be an Eagles unless he would fall bigtime. The Eagles are probably only targetting MLB and SLB prospects now, as they have 3 WLBs on the roster already. I think this move means the end of Omar Gaither though, maybe he'll catch on somewhere whenever his time is up with the Eagles.
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Actually, I didn't like a couple of moves they made.

Didn't like the Sheldon Brown trade, didn't like trading McNabb within the division, didn't like letting go of Weatherspoon, and I don't like this trade.

I generally like what they do, and the proof is in the pudding with Philly bc they are consistent winners, but I question some of the moves they made this offseason.

To clarify though, I can understand why they traded Sheldon considering his age/contract, I understand letting go of Spoon, and I understand the value they got in return for McNabb.

But I still feel that the moves weren't worth it. Spoon left for nothing, having Sheldon for a year is worth more than a 5th to me, and the extra 3rd/4th they got out of McNabb is not worth competing against him for the next 4 years within the division.
Yeah cutting Witherspoon had my head scratching, and the belief behind trading McNabb within the division was because they wanted him to be happy and he didn’t want to play for Oakland or Buffalo, and the Cardinals already solved their QB problem, for now. They definitely could have gotten more value for Sheldon Brown too, but they must not have had too much confidence in his game anymore to give him up that easily despite him wanting a new contract.

I guess you just don’t like Howie Roseman, and think that Tom Heckert is a great GM.
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I think Detroit got the best of this trade.

If Tony can come back from that ACL, he's a player. Teams are trading away talent for peanuts in this draft. I think some teams are overvaluing draft picks and getting caught up in the "best draft everzzzz" hype.

Some quality players are going for 5th round picks. Theres no way you can tell me that a 5th in this draft is worth more than some of these players being traded.
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Well you are off the hook with that, Washignton will not be an Eagles unless he would fall bigtime. The Eagles are probably only targetting MLB and SLB prospects now, as they have 3 WLBs on the roster already. I think this move means the end of Omar Gaither though, maybe he'll catch on somewhere whenever his time is up with the Eagles.
Word on the street is they are going to package some picks to move up and nab Earl Thomas.

I think that would be a mistake. While I love Earl, I think Philly would do better just collecting several players. Kareem Jackson, Pouncey, Iupati, etc would be great picks, and they get to keep their 2nd rounders.

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Yeah cutting Witherspoon had my head scratching, and the belief behind trading McNabb within the division was because they wanted him to be happy and he didn’t want to play for Oakland or Buffalo, and the Cardinals already solved their QB problem, for now. They definitely could have gotten more value for Sheldon Brown too, but they must not have had too much confidence in his game anymore to give him up that easily despite him wanting a new contract.

I guess you just don’t like Howie Roseman, and think that Tom Heckert is a great GM.
Honestly, I think its Andy Reid running the show. Always has been. Always will be until he gets fired.
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If anyone has read the Lions forum you would know we have been calling for Sims to get traded or released for two years now. He hasn't been remotely close to good since the middle of his second season. I wish him luck in Philly, but I'm ecstatic we actually got something for his worthless ass.
exactly this. He's been on the 'needs to be traded'-list for a long time now.
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exactly this. He's been on the 'needs to be traded'-list for a long time now.
I never thought he was good in the first place. His one "Pro Bowl" season consisted of overrunning plays and making tackles 15 yards down field.
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I never thought he was good in the first place. His one "Pro Bowl" season consisted of overrunning plays and making tackles 15 yards down field.
I guess if you want a guy to be acceptable he is... I so want at least a few of Millen's picks to be worth ANYTHING.
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Stafford is surrounded by a great cast of receiving options now. Megatron, Nate Burleson, Brandon Pettigrew, and now Scheffler in a Dallas Clark TE/WR role.
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Wow, if Detroit gets a run game and OL, they have the makings of a dangerous offense.
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Wow, if Detroit gets a run game and OL, they have the makings of a dangerous offense.
that's a big if. We did get Sims to shore up one guard position. Ghosder is still a total bum though.
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that's a big if. We did get Sims to shore up one guard position. Ghosder is still a total bum though.
If you guys take Suh (which I guess is pretty much a given if he's there, correct me if I'm wrong), I could see a scenario in which both could still vastly improve. Something like Ducasse in round 2, Hardesty in round 3, and (insert interior OL that fits your scheme) in round 4 could bring about a significant turnaround, provided all those players work out of course. Give it a couple seasons though, it doesn't look that far off, especially if your FO gives up on Backus soon.
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If Javhid Best is there for Detroit with that 2nd round pick(which I don't see any reason he won't), you have to take him. Once Smith gets back to 100% him and Best would really be a nice fit but Best is a huge play-maker and makes life easier for Stafford.


I'd just really be serious about upgrading the interior of the line and finding that legit future LT.


I can't be the only one who loves what Detroit has done since taking over new management. They have been one of the few teams who have impressed me recently with being active making moves to get better. That roster was from an 0-16 team so while alot of moves may have been small they have been steps in the right direction and they have done a great job at adding talent and upgrades on the team for mid to late round picks who may not have panned out at all.


I'd probably still want to sign Pacman tbh, he may still be your best corner and could be cut pretty quickly if he sucks or screws up. He really wasn't half bad as a cover corner in Dallas and reportedly his speed is the same but who knows how good he'd be now.
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If you guys take Suh (which I guess is pretty much a given if he's there, correct me if I'm wrong), I could see a scenario in which both could still vastly improve. Something like Ducasse in round 2, Hardesty in round 3, and (insert interior OL that fits your scheme) in round 4 could bring about a significant turnaround, provided all those players work out of course. Give it a couple seasons though, it doesn't look that far off, especially if your FO gives up on Backus soon.
I'm still pulling for Suh, yeah. It's the most likely option. I don't know much about hardesty, but isn't he more a power back like Smith? I know he's not in great shape but it'd be a shame to get two simlar guys.

Anyhoo, yeah Ducasse should be there and we could even start him off at guard, I think Backus' job is safe at least for the upcoming season.
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I'd probably still want to sign Pacman tbh, he may still be your best corner and could be cut pretty quickly if he sucks or screws up. He really wasn't half bad as a cover corner in Dallas and reportedly his speed is the same but who knows how good he'd be now.
That dude is done in the NFL.
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Well I thought so too but he did have quite the interest at his workout recently and Cincy and Detroit seemed like they were doing due diligence. Not out of the question 1 of them sign him after the draft, otherwise I don't see why they waste their time showing up.
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might get a job in Detroit, but not until after the draft.
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I'm still pulling for Suh, yeah. It's the most likely option. I don't know much about hardesty, but isn't he more a power back like Smith? I know he's not in great shape but it'd be a shame to get two simlar guys.

Anyhoo, yeah Ducasse should be there and we could even start him off at guard, I think Backus' job is safe at least for the upcoming season.
Hardesty has somewhat of an "agile big back" thing going for him IMO. He has the quicks and elusiveness to play the homerun hitter, but also the ability to bowl someone over if necessary. He just seems like a very complete RB to me, and that's a quality I value highly. I may be overrating him in comparison to others, but he looks like he could provide the starter your team has needed for some time IMO.
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Yeah, Hardesty runs with speed and power while Kevin Smith doesn't run with either.
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Yeah, Hardesty runs with speed and power while Kevin Smith doesn't run with either.
Plus he has the advantage of low collegiate workload, that was Kevin Smith's biggest knock coming out IMO, and from the sound of things, it came back to bite him. (I don't get many opportunities to watch Lions games, so I can't really say)
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Looks like Sims will actually experience winning his first NFL game since the 2007 season. 0-16 in '08 and then missed both of Detroit's victories last season with injury. Anyone know what Ernie's personal losing streak is at the moment? Is he close to the Bucs 26 game streak from 1976-77? :)

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Matt Miilen is a joke... The dude went on the radio tonight talking about why Sims was traded. Talking about how Phi got a steal because Sims was the 9th pick in the draft.

I want to ask... Why do people bring up when players were drafted 2,3,4 and 5 years ago? After draft night it should not matter where they got picked, it matters how they play. Just cause Sims was taken top ten doesn't make him good! I hate this guy... Don't understand how he's still making money talking about football.

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