Why Drafting Gerald McCoy Would be a Mistake for the Bucs

[bullg8rdaddy]

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/newsd...7671&trid=home

[brasho]

Originally Posted by etk

I'm not even gonna address your "arguments" seriously because of how incoherent and incorrect you are. The original post is potentially the worst post I've ever seen on a forum.

To all the other Bucs fans on the forum, cheers to getting one of the best DT prospects in years.

Stuff it! It's my opinion and if you don't like it then don't read it. You don't see me following you around telling you that you're the worst burger flipper in the history of McDonald's, do you?

Your response was so seriously short-sighted and so lacking of insight or reason I wonder if you actually have any original opinions or just regurgitate the unoriginal drivel that most so-called experts spew. Like I said, I called Glenn Dorsey, Gaines Adams, JaMarcus Russell huge busts before they were ever drafted... I took heat for it then and I don't expect the dim-sighted to understand now... so be it.

[ruthlessrussian]

I have been posting on and off here for about 5 years (although I rarely take the time to post things) and I have seen some bad arguements before but Brasho, this has to be one of the worst.

First I respect everybody's opinions as I do yours but to say you've seen a lot of Gerald Mccoy and then say you watched him get "stood up" or "washed down the line" is bs. I'm not saying that he never did, but what I am saying is that either you were watching the wrong player or you're just exagerating some instances where you did see this. Even the best players have bad plays.

Second, and i'll keep this short because most people already know this about Mccoy, is that what makes him special is his ability to disrupt plays by getting into the backfield and doing this consistently. He doesn't just go up against "fry cook/lawyer guards" because he was used at DE often, where he would still disrupt plays. He would even drop into coverage at times where he would do the same thing. Furthermore, to go back to the fry cooks, the Pouncey brothers come to mind, they usually had to double team Mr. Mccoy to ensure that he would not be able to do what he does best, yet he would still get a push on them. Simple logic tells me that no matter how good a DLinemen is two players of equal size should be able to stop him but this wasn't always the case.

Anyway, before I get carried away... You're Bucs got one hell of a player in Mccoy. He will make it difficult for Brees, Ryan and Clausen to operate their offenses effectively. He is a perfect fit, be happy you have him.

[bullg8rdaddy]

FWIW, he said that the Pounceys were the best linemen he face in college.

[ruthlessrussian]

Originally Posted by bullg8rdaddy

FWIW, he said that the Pounceys were the best linemen he face in college.

You mean Mccoy said that? I can totally believe that.

Sorry, I meant for that[Pouncey's=fry cooks] to be sarcastic. Basically, I didn't agree with the remark that Brasho made about college DT's not going up against superior talent.

[bullg8rdaddy]

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combin...000d5d816ac5c9

Correction, in the on-set Combine interview with Mayock, Eisen and Coach Billick, Gerald said:

"Charlie Taylor LG from Texas

and

Maurkice Pouncey, Center"

[brasho]

So you guys dispute the notion the even the better OGs in college usually don't go on to the NFL? You are truly delusional if you believe this.

I accept the fact that my team drafted McCoy and whether I thought he as worth the #3 selection or not, he's on my team and I support him. I hope he proves me wrong whereas other players whom I've heard made the same arguments about: Dorsey, Adams, etc have failed and was roundly criticized then as well... We'll see, if I'm right, I'm right, I didn't get paid for predicting Dorsey, Adams, Russell and others were going to be colossal busts so I would rather be wrong about McCoy and have my team win.

[Caddy]

Originally Posted by brasho

Stuff it! It's my opinion and if you don't like it then don't read it. You don't see me following you around telling you that you're the worst burger flipper in the history of McDonald's, do you?

Your response was so seriously short-sighted and so lacking of insight or reason I wonder if you actually have any original opinions or just regurgitate the unoriginal drivel that most so-called experts spew. Like I said, I called Glenn Dorsey, Gaines Adams, JaMarcus Russell huge busts before they were ever drafted... I took heat for it then and I don't expect the dim-sighted to understand now... so be it.

*Cue an etk burn*

[DJC]

Originally Posted by brasho

So you guys dispute the notion the even the better OGs in college usually don't go on to the NFL? You are truly delusional if you believe this.

How can you use this argument against McCoy though? Don't all college DT's not go against college OG's? Should we just say **** tape for all college DT's and go by gut feeling from now on?

[brasho]

Originally Posted by Caddy

*Cue an etk burn*

You know what? Tell 'em to bring it on. Anybody that would attempt to slam me by saying that a post was the worst ever or something along those lines is finely tiptoeing the line as it is. Obviously if I go against the grain with my well suppoirted opinion I still expect the sheep to criticize.

[brasho]

Originally Posted by DJC

How can you use this argument against McCoy though? Don't all college DT's not go against college OG's? Should we just say **** tape for all college DT's and go by gut feeling from now on?

No, what I'm saying is that judging DTs is extremely difficult because they typically play against the future grocery baggers of America. The elite OL that we would like to see them against are often far far away at LT.

And I never said I had a gut feeling about McCoy... not one time, I gave evidence, history, and watched plenty of tape. instead of basing my opinion on what the so-called experts have told me to think, I've developed my own independently, which is the way it's supposed to be. My opinion of Dorsey, Adams, and Russell were extremely low despite how hyped up the experts made them.

[etk]

Originally Posted by Caddy

*Cue an etk burn*

Sorry bro. It's not worth the effort. He's on my ignore list.

[ruthlessrussian]

Brasho, I want to hear yout opinion on what you thought of Mccoy when he lined up at DE for the Sooners?

[Captain Fear]

I like brasho's opinions. There not always supported with hard evidence, but he does put together a good argument based on context. With most people regurgitating the same information, it's always nice to hear something fresh. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

[ruthlessrussian]

Originally Posted by Captain Fear

I like brasho's opinions. There not always supported with hard evidence, but he does put together a good argument based on context. With most people regurgitating the same information, it's always nice to hear something fresh. Regardless of whether you agree with it or not.

I agree. And this is why I'm going out of my way to post, im curious what he thinks. His opinion about Mccoy really shocked me. Even though I disagree I am curious to read his thoughts.

[Caddy]

Originally Posted by etk

Sorry bro. It's not worth the effort. He's on my ignore list.

Don't worry man. I haven't attempted a legitimate response either. I've been high on McCoy for months and I am super excited to have him.

[brasho]

Originally Posted by Caddy

Don't worry man. I haven't attempted a legitimate response either. I've been high on McCoy for months and I am super excited to have him.

He never did attempt a response, he just attacked me because I didn't agree with the opinion that was given to him by the experts.

[brasho]

Originally Posted by ruthlessrussian

Brasho, I want to hear yout opinion on what you thought of Mccoy when he lined up at DE for the Sooners?

I think he was decent in the 3-4 front. Because he was playing 5-tech, he never really or tried from what I saw, to hit the edge and run the arc, I don't think he could if he had to. A more elite athlete could do that. Sapp could have been fine early on as a 3-4 DE because of his elite athleticism, Harris too. But McCoy would have been more of a Luis Castillo bull-rusher/swim artist if he played DE in the pros.

I think he'll be above-average at a 3-tech for us, he works hard and has enough quickness and strength to be much better than what we have. Paired with Price hopefully our DL can return to dominance and McCoy can prove me wrong.

[manilavanilla]

original post:

"McCoy doesn't even have the work ethic. People point to Warren Sapp's 17 reps of 225 to say that McCOy's 21 aren't a big deal... but they're wrong. Poor weigh room numbers suggests bad work ethic and comparing McCoy to Sapp just proves my point. Sapp was known for having a poor work ethic and constantly came into seasons far too fat because of it. What got Sapp by was his outstanding athleticism (4.7 in the 40 type athleticism) which McCoy DOES NOT HAVE! He's a pretty good athlete, but he's no Warren Sapp and even if he did turn around his work ethic to match many of the other DTs in the draft, it still might not be enough to ever be a good DT. That's the thing about Suh, I'm not a Suh-lover, but at the very least you know this guy will work his tail off to be the best he can be."

last post:

"I think he'll be above-average at a 3-tech for us, he works hard and has enough quickness and strength to be much better than what we have."



does he have bad work ethic or is he a hard worker?

[etk]

lol...brasho doesn't even know what to think. He pulls opinions out of a hat.

[brasho]

Yeah, right, I don't know what I'm talking about... yet the Bucs run defense is still terrible. Most likely because Gerald McCoy has been a huge disappointment. If he had been any more invisible these past few games I would have sworn he'd have to be disguised as a blade of grass. He's been well below-average and needs to step it up... he's a Buc so I'm rooting for him... but he's been freaking invisible as has the rest of the DL for the most part.

[brasho]

Originally Posted by manilavanilla

original post:

"McCoy doesn't even have the work ethic. People point to Warren Sapp's 17 reps of 225 to say that McCOy's 21 aren't a big deal... but they're wrong. Poor weigh room numbers suggests bad work ethic and comparing McCoy to Sapp just proves my point. Sapp was known for having a poor work ethic and constantly came into seasons far too fat because of it. What got Sapp by was his outstanding athleticism (4.7 in the 40 type athleticism) which McCoy DOES NOT HAVE! He's a pretty good athlete, but he's no Warren Sapp and even if he did turn around his work ethic to match many of the other DTs in the draft, it still might not be enough to ever be a good DT. That's the thing about Suh, I'm not a Suh-lover, but at the very least you know this guy will work his tail off to be the best he can be."

last post:

"I think he'll be above-average at a 3-tech for us, he works hard and has enough quickness and strength to be much better than what we have."



does he have bad work ethic or is he a hard worker?

Looks like to me he works hard on the field, is too much of a joker off of it. McCoy talks about wanting to be the best at his position... as a Buc fan I would settle with him being above-average.

[bucfan12]

Originally Posted by brasho

Yeah, right, I don't know what I'm talking about... yet the Bucs run defense is still terrible. Most likely because Gerald McCoy has been a huge disappointment. If he had been any more invisible these past few games I would have sworn he'd have to be disguised as a blade of grass. He's been well below-average and needs to step it up... he's a Buc so I'm rooting for him... but he's been freaking invisible as has the rest of the DL for the most part.

Listen, the fact that McCoy hasn't made the impact on the stat sheet doesn't mean his presence isn't felt on the field. He is commanding double teams on almost a consistant basis and the fact that Ruud isn't aggressive enough and his inability to make plays in the backfield, even with him commnading double teams is just inexcusable.

McCoy, through their first 4 games, has been wreaking havoc and providing constant pressure. He has played very well in the first 2 games against the run, but remember, our defense is meant for our front four to command blockers and the LB's shoot the open gaps, only the past 2 games our LB's haven't done a good job, and Ruud is just horrific.

McCoy is going to be a star in this league, simply for the fact as a rookie, is starting to command double teams, and in Carolina, was triple-teamed. He also swings the DE in our 3-4 alignment. Remember, Sapp struggled his first 2 years and didn't really break out until his 3rd year in the league. Look at Glenn Doresey in KC. His first 2 years weren't as productive, but this year, he is playing excellent,making plays and opening things up for others to make plays around him.

McCoy is only a rookie and DT's take a while to make an impact. Honestly, McCoy's presence has been felt and his going to be an elite DT in this league, but give him time before you say he's a bust. Yea, Suh is making his presence felt and is performing well, but he is a different DT and has better lineman around him (i know, it's Detroit, but it's true). Our Defensive Ends aren't even prodcuing in 1 on 1 match ups, except for Tim Crowder. You can't be productive at the DT spot when your DE's are absolutely horrendous.

[StaticGator]

Originally Posted by bucfan12

You can't be productive at the DT spot when your DE's are absolutely horrendous.

Yes, you can.

[lowlife]

He's been disruptive as **** the first 3 games, especially week 1. But was marginal at best vs Cincinatti. Mostly got pushed around, got a few pressures though.

That being said, 3/4 is not a bad ratio for a rook.