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Default Contract status for the 2009 Chicago Bears

ST: Signed Through BS: Base Salary SB: Signing Bonus AB: Additional Bonus TC: Total Charge


Quarterback (3)
Jay Cutler:
ST: 2011
BS: 1.035 mil
AB: 4.5 million for taking 70% of snaps, 1.95 mil for finishing in the top 5 of any category, 500k for making a Superbowl

Caleb Hanie:
ST:2011
BS: 385k
TC: 385k

Brett Basanez:
ST:2010
BS: 385k
TC: 385k

Runningback (4)
Matt Forte:
ST: (2011)
BS: 385k
SB: 382.5k
AB: 528k performance bonuses
TC: 767.5k

Kevin Jones:
ST: (2010)
BS: 1.25 million
SB: 500k
TC: 1.75k

Adrian Peterson:
ST: (2009)
BS: 745k
SB: 333k
AB: None
TC:1.078 million

Garrett Wolfe:
ST: (2010)
BS: 460k
SB: 155k
AB: None
TC: 615k

Fullback (3)
Jason McKie:
ST: (2011)
BS: 745k
SB: 250k
AB: None
TC: 995k

Jason Davis:
ST: 2010
BS: 460k
TC: 460k

Will Ta'ufo'ou:
-Not yet signed
Wide Receiver (10)
Devin Hester:
ST: (2013)
BS: 555k
SB: 833k
AB: Roster bonus in 2009 (5.25 million), 2010 (5 million), and 2013 (10 million)
TC: 6.638 million

Rashied Davis:
ST: (2011)
BS: 765k
SB: 367k
AB: Roster bonus in 2009 (450k), 2 million in performance incentives
TC: 1.582 million

Earl Bennett:
ST: (2011)
BS: 385k
SB: 205k
TC: 590k
AB: None

Juaquin Iglesias:
-Not yet signed

Johnny Knox:
-Not yet signed

Derek Kinder:
-Not yet signed

Brandon Rideau:
ST: (2009)
BS: 460k

Devin Aromashadu:
ST: (2010)
BS: 460k

John Broussard:
ST: (2009)
BS: Future's contract

Eric Peterman:
-Not yet signed
Tight End (5)
Greg Olsen:
ST: (2011)
BS: 460k
SB: 50k
AB: Reporting bonuses in 2009 (100k), 2010 (140k), 2011 (126k), another 2.9 million in performance incentives
TC: 610k

Desmond Clark:
ST: (2010)
BS: 1 million
SB: 667k
AB: Roster bonus in 2009 and 2010 (475k)
TC: 2.142 million

Kellen Davis:
ST: (2011)
BS: 385k
SB: 42k
TC: 427k

Fontel Mines:
ST: (2009)
BS: Future's contract

Michael Gaines:

Offensive Line (13)
Olin Kruetz:
ST: (2010)
BS: 2.3 million
SB: 3 million
TC: 5.3 million

Orlando Pace
ST: 2011
BS: 6.1 million

Frank Omiyale:
ST: (2012)
BS: 620k
SB: 450k
AB: 3.88 million in bonuses
TC: 4.95 million (don't worry, this is a very frontloaded contract)

Chris Williams:
ST: (2012)
BS: 385k
SB: 100k
AB: Roster bonus and workout bonuses in every year of contract (1.125 million & 285k), Pro Bowl escalator (175k), 2012 playtime incentives (2.125 million)
TC: 1.876 million

Kevin Schaffer:
ST: (2011)
BS: 1 million
SB: 583k
AB: 250k
TC: 1.833 million

Roberto Garza:
ST: (2011)
BS: 745k
SB: 583k
AB: None
TC: 1.328 million

Josh Beekman:
ST: (2010)
BS: 460k
SB: 97.5k
AB: None
TC: 557.5k

Dan Buenning:
ST: (2009)
BS: 545k
SB: N/A
AB: None
TC: 545k

Lance Louis:
-Not yet signed

Cody Balogh:
ST: (2009)
BS: Future's contract

Tyler Reed:
ST: (2009)
BS: Future's contract

John Asiata:
-Not yet signed

Dennis Conley:
-Not yet signed

Defensive Line (13)
Tommie Harris:
ST: (2012)
BS: 620k
SB: 1.8 million
AB: Roster bonus each year of contract (roughly 4 million), will receive 8 million in 2012 if he makes Pro Bowl in every year of his contract, 2 million in contract incentives. More unallocated guaranteed money.
TC: 8-9 million

Adewale Ogunleye:
ST: (2009)
BS: 4.8 million
SB: 2.5 million
AB: None
TC: 7.3 million

Alex Brown:
ST: (2011)
BS: 745k
SB: 2.235 million (over in 2009)
AB: None. However, Brown received 5 million up front in 2008 and has 5 million per year salaries in 2010 and 2011.
TC: 2.98 million

Israel Idonije:
ST: (2009)
BS: 1.7 million
SB: 400k
AB: None
TC: 2.1 million

Anthony Adams:
ST: (2010)
BS: 850k
SB: 250k
AB: None
TC: 1.1 million

Jaron Gilbert:
-Not yet signed

Dusty Dvoracek:
ST: (2009), RFA in 2010
BS: 530k
SB: 187.5k
TC: 717.5k

Henry Melton:
-Not yet signed

Mark Anderson:
ST: (2009)
BS: 530k
SB: 39k
AB: None
TC: 569k

Marcus Harrison:
ST: (2011)
BS: 385k
SB: 172.5k
AB: None
TC: 557.5k

Matt Toenia:
ST: (2010)
BS: 460k
TC: 460k

Ervin Baldwin:
ST: 2011
BS: 385k
SB: 30k
TC: 415k

Joe Clermond:
ST: 2009
BS: Future's contract

Linebackers (9)
Brian Urlacher:
ST: (2012)
BS: 6 million
SB: 3.7 million
AB: None
TC: 9.7 million

Lance Briggs:
ST: (2013)
BS: 1.1 million
SB: 667k
AB: Workout bonus every year (250k), Roster bonus in 2009 (4.75 million), 2010 (3.3 million)
TC: 6.8 million

Pino Tinoisamoa:

Hunter Hillenmeyer:
ST: (2011)
BS: 1.5 million
SB: 1 million
AB: None
TC: 2.5 million

Marcus Freeman:
-Not yet signed

Jamar Williams:
ST: (2009), RFA in 2010
BS: 530k
SB: 111k
AB: None
TC: 641k

Nick Roach:
ST: 2010
BS: 460k
SB: N/A

Kevin Malast:
-Not yet signed

Mike Rivera:
-Not yet signed
Cornerbacks (8)
Charles Tillman:
ST: (2013)
BS: 2.25 million
SB: 2.57 million
TC: 4.82 million

Nathan Vasher:
ST: (2012)
BS: 2.95 million
SB: 1.9 million
TC: 4.85 million

D.J. Moore:
-Not yet signed

Zack Bowman:
ST: (2011)
BS: 385k
SB: 74k
TC: 459k

Trumaine McBride:
ST: (2010)
BS: 460k
SB: 14k
AB: None
TC: 474k

Marcus Hamilton:
ST: (2009)
BS: 375k

Rudy Burgess:
ST: (2009)
BS: Future's contract

Woodny Turenne:
-Not yet signed
Safties(7)
Josh Bullocks:
ST: (2009)
BS: 525k
SB: None
AB: 675k
TC: 1.2 million

Danieal Manning:
ST: (2009)
BS: 530k
SB: 400k
AB: None
TC: 930k

Kevin Payne:
ST: (2010)
BS: 460k
SB: 37.5k
AB: None
TC: 497.5k

Craig Steltz:
ST: (2011)
BS: 385k
SB: 111.2k
AB: None
TC: 496.2k

Corey Graham:
ST: (2010)
BS: 460k
SB: 38k
AB: None
TC: 498k

Al Afalva:
-Not yet signed

Dahna Deleston:
-Not yet signed

Special Teams (3)
Robbie Gould:
ST: (2013)
BS: 750k
SB: Unknown
AB: Roster bonus in 2009 (2.15 million), 2010 (150k), 2011 (500k), 2012 (500k), 2013 (500k), Performance escalators in 2009 (900k), 2010 (1.1 million)
TC: 2.85 million

Brad Maynard:
ST: (2010)
BS: 1.03 million
SB: 360k
AB: None
TC: 1.39 million

Patrick Mannelley:
ST: (2010)
BS: 770k
SB: 93k
AB: None
TC: 863k
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BeerBaron if you could sticky this that would be great. I've heard a lot of people asking questions about the salary cap and such so I thought I'd put this together.

I'll have comments to follow once I'm done editing.
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The cap charge for cutting each player, incidently, can usually be figured out by taking the remaining base salary, dividing the signing bonus by the number of years on the contract when signed, and adding what the remaining amount is into a one year lump sum (hence the 2.5 million charge for Rashied Davis).

Say, for example, we decide to cut Devin Hester, who has 20 million left in unallocated bonus money. That would not count against our cap, nor would he ever receive that money. Jerry Angelo and Cliff Stein have done a pretty good job keeping this team cap flexible down the road.

Also, whoever signed Greg Olsen's contract is a ******* idiot. I'm guessing he's making most of that incentive bonus money (if he's not he should). The base salary for Forte is pretty laughable too. Rookies are so damn cheap.
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how much should we keep for rookies that are going to be signed?
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how much should we keep for rookies that are going to be signed?
It depends where we're picking. Shouldnt be a lot though.
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The thread has been stickied.

And yeah, our cap situation isn't all that bad. I'd like to lock up Orton long term though. He may not be an elite, franchise QB but he's probably been the most consistently good one we've had in my lifetime.

Plus, I recall hearing an announcer say in one game that given the conditions we play in for 8 home games and in the 1 in GB, and iirc Minny is going to build an outdoor stadium too in the coming years, it might be wise to lock up a pretty good QB and spend the rest of the money on the defense and running game since they'll go in any weather.
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for the ST, you are using the year the season begins in, not when it ends, right?
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how much should we keep for rookies that are going to be signed?
you usually put aside about 5 million for the rookie pool, I think.

EDIT: Sorry for consecutive posts, I just had several different thoughts for the same thread at different times.
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Hey 51, for all the contract info, just go to rotoworld.com, search the player you are looking for, go to that player's page, and they have the contract info there, and they break it down nicely as well. So for instance a player's BS you are missing, Israel Idonije: http://www.rotoworld.com/Content/pla...rt=Nfl&id=2971
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Now, when you cut a player, you only have to pay what's remaining of the signing bonus and the base salary and roster bonuses/etc go unpaid, correct?
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Now, when you cut a player, you only have to pay what's remaining of the signing bonus and the base salary and roster bonuses/etc go unpaid, correct?
Correct. Just the base salary for that year though. There really are no players we would save money on by cutting this year, perhaps a bit on guys like Rashied Davis or Dvoracek. After looking over the #'s I would expect us to let Tait play out his contract and Vasher to stay for one more year. The only scenario where I could see otherwise is if the club feel like they simply aren't worth their base salaries anymore. It could happen with Vasher if he doesn't fully recover.

To answer your original question, yes, it's the year in which they sign the contract.

I took some of the contract info from rotoworld, but there's some stuff they don't have too. Must have missed on Idonije.

I would guess that the rookie cap is probably going to be about 5-6 million. Add another 2-3 million for in-season cuts and what not. As I recall, the practice squad does not count against the salary cap.

I would expect the salary cap to probably go up to about 123-126 million, but the economy could dip into it a bit.
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you da man 51... now lets spend this cap room on Suggs!
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51, I think you are wrong about the salary cap charge. All you have to pay are any signing bonuses. When you cut a player, you don't owe them any of their base salary, just all the remaining bonuses.

John Tait for instance is on the last year of his contract and has roughly only 2.3 million in bonuses unpaid. He is set to make 4.8 million in base salary, but if we cut him, we'd only have to pay the remaining 2.3 million in bonuses, saving us about 2.5 million in salary. I have no idea where you got 7.5 million.

I might be wrong on this though, as I am no expert.

Also, I'm pretty sure it's just signing bonus you have to pay, and any additional bonuses like workout or roster don't count.
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51, I think you are wrong about the salary cap charge. All you have to pay are any signing bonuses. When you cut a player, you don't owe them any of their base salary, just all the remaining bonuses
That's what I said when you asked me the first time.

I'm not sure where I got that number, it probably is wrong.
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Wouldnt we be saving the full 4.8? We'd have to pay the bonus anyway.
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Okay, doing some Smokey Joe math, these are the numbers I came up with concerning how much money we gain/lose with some players that are possible cuts (+ means money/cap room saved, - means money/cap room lost):

John Tait = +2.5 million (+4.8 million?)
Terrence Metcalf = -.8 million
Roberto Garza = -1.25 million
Nathan Vasher = -4.7 million
Marty Booker = +1.5 million
Rashied Davis = -1.2 million
Jason McKie = +.145 million
Adawale Ogunleye = +2.3 million (+4.8 million?)
Mark Anderson = +.5 million
Hunter Hillenmeyer = -1.5 million
Dusty Dvoracek = unknown, should be a very insignificant amount either way

I rounded mostly. There's always the Marcus Hamilton's of the team who could/will be released, but the amount we'd gain or lose is very insignificant to the cap (would be a **** load of money for you or me though).
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You'd really consider cutting Vasher?
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Wouldnt we be saving the full 4.8? We'd have to pay the bonus anyway.
Maybe you're right... this **** gets confusing.
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You'd really consider cutting Vasher?
From listening to JA, it sounds like a definite possibility. Personally, I'd wait another year, but JA might want to send out a wake up call to everyone on the team.
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From listening to JA, it sounds like a definite possibility. Personally, I'd wait another year, but JA might want to send out a wake up call to everyone on the team.
I think he could be fine if he loses a little weight. He looked like he was carrying about 10 pounds more than his frame could hold this year.
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So Ogunleye, Idonije, and Anderson are all signed through '09? Hmm, interesting. Adds to the train of thought of drafting a 1st round DE, to contribute in the pass rush as a rookie but then start come 2009.

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51, I think you are wrong about the salary cap charge. All you have to pay are any signing bonuses. When you cut a player, you don't owe them any of their base salary, just all the remaining bonuses.

John Tait for instance is on the last year of his contract and has roughly only 2.3 million in bonuses unpaid. He is set to make 4.8 million in base salary, but if we cut him, we'd only have to pay the remaining 2.3 million in bonuses, saving us about 2.5 million in salary. I have no idea where you got 7.5 million.

I might be wrong on this though, as I am no expert.
That sounds right to me. If you're cutting a guy with more than one year remaining, the cap charge this season is the bonus money owed this year, and then next year the cap charge is all of the bonus money remaining for the additional years combined.

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This is true, unless you've tinkered with the bonuses (to make cap space earlier in the life of the contract) such that you essentially converted a RB into a SB, making it guaranteed but prorating it so you pay it off in segments in the remaining years. That can be an option you design for yourself, if you need it, when building the contract.
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^Idonije isnt playing DE any more.
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Yeah, he pretty much moves all over that line and at times this year, was looking like our best lineman. I hope we extend him.
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For those curious, it would cost 2.4 million extra against the cap to cut Vasher. That's not much, but the team obviously wouldn't be doing it for cap reasons.

The team would owe Vasher 2.9 million next year. So the only question is if the team still views Vasher as having starting potential down the road. If they do, you keep him as you've already given him over 12 million in the last two years. If you don't, you likely cut him, as Danieal Manning seems to have the nickle position on lock.

I still don't think it's a given we cut him.
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