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Old 01-25-2011, 08:36 PM    (permalink
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I still say sign Ryan Kalil and draft Carimi or Sherrod in the first.
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Webb was terrible early but he's look much better and borderline good. He's definitely going to be our starting RT next season and deserves it. Omiyale was the opposite and seemed to get worse. He's not a starting caliber player. Williams isnt a LG. He needs to kick back to LT. He cant be worse then Omiyale there. Kreutz played ok when the OGs played ok. Garza is running on fumes at best. He needs to go.

Our 2 biggest OL needs and overall team needs imo are LG and RG. Id like to see both of those addressed in FA. We can get starters there on the cheap and it opens up the draft for us to address WR/DL/CB
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I would welcome picking Wis at 30. Kreutz has done great things for the team, but he's fallen off for some time. Carimi or even Castanzo would also work well. I highly doubt that Smith, Solder, or Sherrod will be around when we pick, but we might be in position to trade up, but only a few spots.
We are going up against BJ Raji, Ndamukong Suh and Kevin Williams six times a year, we need some quality players on the interior line to take on those guys. Wis, John Moffitt and another high upside guy like Will Rackley can make an impact.
Bust is right, in that there is no quick fix, however they can at least put a foundation in place, something I thought they would do years ago, but shows what I know.
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Webb was terrible early but he's look much better and borderline good. He's definitely going to be our starting RT next season and deserves it. Omiyale was the opposite and seemed to get worse.
Sadly, PFF says that you're seeing things. Webb had one good game and one game where he graded out as average, but they were drowned out by games in which he was horrible. He ended up as the second worst right tackle in the NFL with bad run blocking, worse pass blocking, and a disturbing propensity for drawing penalties. Omiyale actually graded out better (but still bad).

RT was our worst OL position this season. Webb was also graded as the single worst player of the conference championship round. He allowed eight (!) pressures and failed to do any run blocking of significance. Eight pressures on one guy in one game is just amazing. It belongs in the Hall of Shame with stuff like Braylon Edwards' hands and Mario Mendoza's batting average.

Basically, the entire OL needs to be replaced in this order: RT, C, LT, RG, LG. That's how bad it is.

edit: It's not out of the realm of possibility that Webb's offseason will give him thinking time for things to "click," but it's not anything we should count on. He needs to compete for his job in training camp and not be given the benefit of the doubt. If he gets it all together, that's fantastic. If not, there are literally dozens of guys that could be freely signed and give us the same or better production for the league minimum.

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Webb was ******* dreadful. You don't need a stats site to tell you that; just eyes.
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The jist of it all seems to be: Our o-line is just awful. Just downright awful. We all have different ideas where amongst it we should/will end up addressing, but we are in unanimous agreement that is just just plain terrible all across the board.
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The jist of it all seems to be: Our o-line is just awful. Just downright awful. We all have different ideas where amongst it we should/will end up addressing, but we are in unanimous agreement that is just just plain terrible all across the board.
I would love to see how everyone rates our OL 1-5. That would be comical. Who is the best stiff of the bunch? I bet everyone would have a different answer. I still don't know how I would rate them.

The problem is everyone here realizes we need 5 new offensive line starters and we only have 2 draft choices to get impact players. Maybe the first 3 rounds if lucky.
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I would love to see how everyone rates our OL 1-5. That would be comical. Who is the best stiff of the bunch? I bet everyone would have a different answer. I still don't know how I would rate them.

The problem is everyone here realizes we need 5 new offensive line starters and we only have 2 draft choices to get impact players. Maybe the first 3 rounds if lucky.
Well, they're so bad that I wish every one would be replaced...so ranking them would be like sorting out piles of dog **** from smelliest to least smelliest...it just wouldn't be worth the effort.

Here is what I think the team will rank them though (for some reasons I've already mentioned):

1.) LT - Omiyele - Played barely capable at LT, which is more than can be said about him playing at any other position. He's a JA guy and the prized FA for 2 years ago...I bet JA looks at him starting with minimal effectiveness (again, more than can be said about any other position on the line) and decides to keep him starting.

2.) RT - Webb - Again, a JA guy as a late round "steal" who started with some minimal effectiveness at the end of the season. He's young and they'll probably play the "he'll get better" card and give him every chance to keep starting.

3.) LG - Williams - Another guy JA probably won't give up on yet, though I'd be a little less surprised if he did than the first two. He's just not good enough of a run blocker to be a guard and he's a little tall for it too...loses leverage and can get driven back easily vs. more stout DTs.

4.) RG - Garza - Only because he's still under contract I believe. Hopefully we draft/sign someone to replace him.

5.) C - Kreutz - He's a FA I truly hope we don't bring back and we have no other center capable player on the roster really....hopefully we address this good and early with someone who can hold down the spot for a good long while.


Then there's always the chance that instead of someone new, we plug in Lance Louis.....sigh.
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It'd be nice if we could bring in 5 new starters on the line.

I think Kreutz might get resigned... which I wouldn't have a problem with if we could get 2 new guards.

I think Williams needs to be tried at LT again early on... He played decent at LG, but that is a horrible investment. According to Monomach, LG was the best (of the worst) position on the line. (technically he listed LG as the last position that needs to be replaced... although they all needed to be replaced)

We're in such a crappy position, and really need some great drafts if we want to stay competitive for an extended period, because there are a lot of guys that need replacing within the next 2-3 years.
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Just saw a mock where we got Carimi and Danny Watkins in the first two rounds. Jizzed in my pants, tbqh. Watkins is old, but the guy looks ready to start right now and should still be able to play for at least 5 years.

Carimi over Webb, Watkins over Garza, and signing Kalil over Kreutz = one side of the line instantly being mediocre at worst!

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I am really impressed with Watkins. Stout and mean. Played LT in college and was actually the #4 overall pick in the CFL draft fwiw.

Ive always been impressed with Carimi and I totally think he can play on the left. Not every team has a freak athlete LT (see Chicago Bears) but everyone needs a solid, tough-guy workhorse thats knows the playbook. Id most certainly spend the #29 pick on him so he could beat out Franko.
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As much as I would LOVE to take at least 2 lineman in our top 4 picks, I'm not counting on it.

This is Jerry Angelo after all. He's taken just one first round OL in the past....many years....and otherwise only seems to draft late rounders at the position.

Maybe with as bad as they were early this year, he'll change course and pick a few...but I'm not betting on it. I've said time and again here that guys like Omiyele, Webb and maybe even Williams are "his" guys, and I think he'll make sure they have every chance to remain starters.
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It'd be so cool it makes me sad thinking about it. Not only cuz it won't happen, but that it still has Kruetz and Webb.
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It'd be so cool it makes me sad thinking about it. Not only cuz it won't happen, but that it still has Kruetz and Webb.
The line won't be fixed in a year. That will be true. I think Kreutz has another year of at least mediocre play left in him, so he can stay at center and just having the upgrade at the guard position will help the run game 10 fold. Concentrate on getting Forte the ball and move the pocket on PA roll out type packages with Cutler.
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Danny Watkins sounds like the kind of player we need on the inside.
A 27 yr old rookie who doesn't have a lot of experience doesn't seem like something I would invest a high pick on. On paper at least.
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You must not be paying attention to the Senior Bowl. He has absolutely beasted the competition and played with a nasty demeanor and outright aggressiveness that is highly coveted on the OL. Being 27 is nothing considered most OL play until their 35, so you would get 8 good years out of him.
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Put me down for resigning Kruetz for 2 more years. He's still a decent starter (much better than either of our tackles) and he's super duper durable. It would also be nice to see him retire a Bear after his commitment to this franchise. We've got bigger fish to fry with our 1st round pick.
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We also need to resign or franchise Danieal.
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If Ryan Kerrigan slips into the bottom of the first round, would JA be smart to make him the pick in the first round?
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He's not going to fall....a productive hard worker like that will get gobbled up in the teens at the latest I think.
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Do not want Costanzo or Solder. That means we will take one of them with our 1st.
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Do not want Costanzo or Solder. That means we will take one of them with our 1st.
Haven't wanted Castonzo since I watched Steven Friday rape him repeatedly. Didn't look like he had the feet for LT, and he even got beat on some power moves by a guy 50 pounds lighter....not what I want in a RT either.

Like you said, probably means we'll take him.
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