2011 Patriots Draft - Page 9

sportslover · 01-27-2011, 07:07 AM

Gilbert is a guy that can be had at #60 or 74 and doesn't need to be drafted high. So that allows us to fill needs with our first 3 picks, and still get a starting RT and have VOllmer at LT, and be set for awhile.

Jordan may be going out of the Pats range, but Mike Mayock the best analyst around still has him going mid-late 1st even during practices. Obviously it's more top 10-20 but he still may slide to Pats you never know. Even if he doesn't. Robert Quinn -- Muhammed Wilkerson at #17 and #28 would be great.

Nalej · 01-27-2011, 08:13 AM

A Quinn and Wilkerson haul would have been ejaculating all over screen

ElectricEye · 01-27-2011, 09:05 AM

Shane said O'Dowd has played the best out of any of the centers in Mobile this week. Maybe that doesn't mean much, but take it for what it's worth.

Also, Brooks Reed is rapidly becoming my favorite prospect for us to draft that we won't this year.

sportslover · 01-27-2011, 09:22 AM

I have been hearing O'Dowd is doing terrible. But I guess the best of the C's this week isn't a HUGE compliment, most of the better interior lineman this week are OG.

ElectricEye · 01-27-2011, 09:25 AM

Technically sound, looks bad anchoring is the word from Scott and Shane. That does sort of cross him off our wish list. The rule I personally set for a center is to only draft one if we're absolutely sure they're an upgrade over Koppen.

But yeah, I really hope the Patriots change their tune and take a look at Reed. He's going to be taken by a team that values athletic pass rushers much more and be an absolute stud though.

FlyingElvis · 01-27-2011, 03:29 PM

"Texas A&M LB Von Miller looks like the real deal in any scheme. He’s 6-2 ½, 237 right now but should be able to get over 250. He’s by far the best player here and I’m sure Bill Belichick could find a way to make use of his great pass rush. From what I’m hearing, the Patriots learned a little bit by passing on Matthews, who didn’t quite fit what they were looking for at the time. They’d probably be more willing to take a physical risk this year."

The bolded part is very interesting if true . . .

source

ElectricEye · 01-27-2011, 03:42 PM

I hope so. I'm not sure I would want Miller though. Give me Brooks Reed at the end of the first or start of the second over Miller .

Don Vito · 01-27-2011, 03:50 PM

I would not be surprised at all to see us take Von Miller. He flat out knows how to get to the QB and our pass rush is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen, he may not be a typical Patriots OLB but he is an outstanding pass rusher and playmaker and that is what we need.

I'm on board for us taking Miller all the way.

ElectricEye · 01-27-2011, 03:54 PM

Problem is he likely won't be around when we pick. That would require trading up. Are we OK with that?

Don Vito · 01-27-2011, 03:56 PM

I doubt we would trade up, I just think we wouldn't pass him up if he somehow fell to us. If the price was right I would be willing to move up a little this year.

FlyingElvis · 01-27-2011, 04:32 PM

I think the general idea is what's most intriguing. The game is so much faster these days - I just don't that the size requirements at OLB need to be so stringent.

My guess is that this particular writer is jumping on the ole rumor train and there's no way BB deviates from his plan.

proshoota25 · 01-27-2011, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

"Texas A&M LB Von Miller looks like the real deal in any scheme. He’s 6-2 ½, 237 right now but should be able to get over 250. He’s by far the best player here and I’m sure Bill Belichick could find a way to make use of his great pass rush. From what I’m hearing, the Patriots learned a little bit by passing on Matthews, who didn’t quite fit what they were looking for at the time. They’d probably be more willing to take a physical risk this year."

The bolded part is very interesting if true . . .

source

this is also coming from a guy who said ballard was taking reps at outside linebacker? hmmmmmmmmmmm

proshoota25 · 01-27-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ElectricEye

Problem is he likely won't be around when we pick. That would require trading up. Are we OK with that?

i was apart of the group who orginally didnt want miller. i think ive changed my mind.... by some accounts, he didnt look too bad in coverage this week. decent coverage plus insane pass rushing skills and speed is much needed on our defense. id trade up for him, along with quinn of course

Nalej · 01-27-2011, 05:36 PM

I would have an issue with trading up for Miller. But for Quinn, I'm okay with that

proshoota25 · 01-27-2011, 05:40 PM

Nalej, you might wanna change your 2nd round pick in your mock. After his performance this week, I dont think Love sniffs the second lol

ElectricEye · 01-27-2011, 05:53 PM

Love sucks balls. Looked poor this week and Heyward decimated him in the Bowl game.

I really don't want any part in Miller to be honest with you. I think the bust factor for him is really, really high. Well, maybe not...but I could very easily see him come to the NFL and just be another guy.

Don Vito · 01-27-2011, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElectricEye

Love sucks balls. Looked poor this week and Heyward decimated him in the Bowl game.

I really don't want any part in Miller to be honest with you. I think the bust factor for him is really, really high. Well, maybe not...but I could very easily see him come to the NFL and just be another guy.

Love looked really good at times this year, but I personally wouldn't touch him until the third. He has a ton of talent and has some versatility but he is inconsistent, sometimes he looks like the baddest man on the field and other times he will get manhandled.

luckyjackaubrey · 01-27-2011, 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingElvis

I think the general idea is what's most intriguing. The game is so much faster these days - I just don't that the size requirements at OLB need to be so stringent.

My guess is that this particular writer is jumping on the ole rumor train and there's no way BB deviates from his plan.

This thought is dead on point!

Our coach has a reputation as an innovator. He has adapted as times have changed and the players and game with it. Our defense has become one that reacts more to what the opponent attempts to do and not one that attempts to dictate terms. While there are many great attributes to our philosophy of gameplanning weekly for each opponent we have run the same stuff for quite some time.

The game has changed, the players coming out of college have changed. It doesnt make a great deal of sense to trying to source players to fit in a system that is not run by the majority of the colleges that feed the league.

This year has the anomaly of many 5 technique lineman that will be impactful but normally we all sit here trying to figure out what prospect can make the move from his college position to our position of need.

If we remain stubborn and only select players who fit our measurables we will continue to miss out on impactful players. I think the coach needs to modify and balance what he wants to do with what is available to do it. He has a great reputation but our recent playoff performances tell a story of a team that needs to adapt in order to compete.

If Von Miller is the impact player available, then we (the coaching staff) need to be prepared to bring in a part that may require some adaptation on the part of the system. We pride ourselves on being flexible and able to many things in many ways. at some point being a "master of none" gets you to the dance, but home by 10 pm.

As far as traiding up, it has to be done. I have my opinions on for who, but I leave that to the man in charge. We have had an inordinant amount of top round picks in recent years. The current situation is not one of reloading a roster but putting one over the top. If we were a 7-9 team that was aging all these picks would be a god send but that is not who or where we are. We can be the Eagles and take the approach that sustaining a certain level of success for a long period of time is our goal. Or we can take advantage of what we have for a core and milk our present good fortune for all its worth. MOst of you are too young to remember anything other than good times in NE football lore but believe me, there will be rough times somewhere ahead of us. You may be moking drafts where we are picking top 5 and that will be the highlight of our hopes.

I hope to see BB make a plan, work a plan and leverage these picks in to the best people not the best value where we pickl. I would also like to see us adapt, change and be as dynamic on defense as we have become on offense.

proshoota25 · 01-27-2011, 09:27 PM

nice entry

ElectricEye · 01-27-2011, 10:44 PM

Yeah, that was quality stuff.

nepg · 01-27-2011, 10:47 PM

I thought the previous two posts were amazing contributions, as well. ;D

Nalej · 01-27-2011, 11:36 PM

My mock is updated in my sig. I haven't been able to catch any footage of players this week.
I'm swamped with school... barely get enough time to spend time with my wife and son.

descendency · 01-27-2011, 11:41 PM

O'Dowd will not hold up against a NT. He's no better than Koppen at this point.

edit: He just flat out cannot anchor.

Nalej · 01-27-2011, 11:45 PM

Let him sit while our OL coach gets a year to teach him up before he takes the reins(or is it rains? ranes? No, I dont want to google it)

edit: I did drop him from a 2nd to a 3rd rd pick... **** it... I'll change it up a bit more...

sportslover · 01-28-2011, 06:40 AM

If we wait to take Jabaal Sheard as our pass rusher I will be mad.

Right now I am seeing Quinn/Smith/Kerrigan at 17 or a trade up. WIlkerson at 28. OG at 33. CB/WR at 60 -- although I don't think BB views WR as a huge need.