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Old 04-30-2010, 08:34 PM    (permalink
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Crap > What we had last year
Now, I'm speaking from experience as a knicks fan, but sometimes when you've had a lot of crap for a long time you'll get some new shiny crap, but that crap, despite being new is really still crap, you may not yet know that it's crap because it hasn't proven it, but that's just a matter of time. So while it's quite possible that Delhomme is slightly less nasty crap than the weiner poo that was Quinn/Anderson 09, that's not a given, and even if he is remember he'll still be nasty nasty crap, just not the nastiest of all poos.
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Now, I'm speaking from experience as a knicks fan, but sometimes when you've had a lot of crap for a long time you'll get some new shiny crap, but that crap, despite being new is really still crap, you may not yet know that it's crap because it hasn't proven it, but that's just a matter of time. So while it's quite possible that Delhomme is slightly less nasty crap than the weiner poo that was Quinn/Anderson 09, that's not a given, and even if he is remember he'll still be nasty nasty crap, just not the nastiest of all poos.
The Browns won the last 4 games last year with what was effectively a single wing. Literally no QB play to speak of... Cribbs ran the wildcat. The guy who led our team in receptions had like 30.

I expect no miracles from Delhomme, but at least the running game will be better and as a result, maybe some options will be open in the passing game.
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Delhomme led a team to the playoffs just 2 years ago. At the very least he can complete a pass and get us 3rd down conversions much better than DA/BQ last year. Wallace is a better option than those two turds we had last year, and he's probably our backup.
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Delhomme led a team to the playoffs just 2 years ago. At the very least he can complete a pass and get us 3rd down conversions much better than DA/BQ last year. Wallace is a better option than those two turds we had last year, and he's probably our backup.
Delhomme didn't lead anyone anywhere, managed to not prevent one of the league's best running games that had a beastly D supporting it and one of the top WRs in the NFL from going to the playoffs. The running game has come back down to earth a little as the defense has grown weaker, but two years ago Rex Grossman could've taken the Panthers to the playoffs.
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even still, 2009 was the only bad season he had with the Panthers since taking over as their starter. Before the 2008 playoffs he was any where from average to above average as a starting QB since 2003. It's not like the Browns aren't gonna be running the ball a load either with Harrison/Hardesty/Hillis/Cribbs.
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even still, 2009 was the only bad season he had with the Panthers since taking over as their starter. Before the 2008 playoffs he was any where from average to above average as a starting QB since 2003. It's not like the Browns aren't gonna be running the ball a load either with Harrison/Hardesty/Hillis/Cribbs.
All I'm saying is he's done at this point and is going to suck it up, whether that's enough or not is up to the Browns but to expect anything from him but the odd big play strewn amidst a slew of turnovers and 3-and-outs would be folly. Althoughg just like for the Bills I don't see that as a problem, get I high pick to add a star to that defensive front 7 or one of the star receivers and McCoy might end up stepping into a pretty nice situation whenever he beats out Wallace.
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Between Wallace and Delhomme at QB I doubt we'll be anywhere near as bad as we were last year at QB. We should be a great running team all season instead of just at the end of the season too now that we've bolstered our backfield and gotten rid of Jamal Lewis and the deadweight that he was.
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How do you not realize how bad Delhomme is? What does it take exactly? He had the best running game in the NFL, a top 10 receiver and an above average line and he was ******* terrible. Seneca Wallace is a better QB and Seneca Wallace sucks.
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Delhomme sucks. Quinn/Anderson suck worse. I watched enough Carolina games last year since that's the regional games we get on FOX in South Carolina. His biggest problems were interceptions. He could at least complete a pass more than 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. At the very least there is hope that Delhomme reverts back to the form he had before the 2008 playoffs in which our QB situation would be a huge upgrade instead of a marginal upgrade over last year.
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Delhomme sucks. Quinn/Anderson suck worse. I watched enough Carolina games last year since that's the regional games we get on FOX in South Carolina. His biggest problems were interceptions. He could at least complete a pass more than 5 yards past the line of scrimmage. At the very least there is hope that Delhomme reverts back to the form he had before the 2008 playoffs in which our QB situation would be a huge upgrade instead of a marginal upgrade over last year.
I think there's more hope for Brady Quinn to actually grow a pair of balls than their is for Delhomme to go back to what he was, which was really just moderately successful gunslinger who just happened to luck into one of the league's receivers for the length of his run.
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apparently Josh McDaniels agrees with you considering he traded a bundle to take a QB in round one after giving up picks/players for Quinn.

I think the odds of our QB play being as awful as it was last year are slim and none.
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apparently Josh McDaniels agrees with you considering he traded a bundle to take a QB in round one after giving up picks/players for Quinn.

I think the odds of our QB play being as awful as it was last year are slim and none.
We'll see about that.
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I think Wallace alone with what he has shown is lightyears ahead of anything we had last year.
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Browns fans, did you actually watch Jake Delhomme last year? He was an absolute disaster and that was with a much better offensive supporting cast then he'll have in Cleveland.

Seriously. 55% completions. 8 TDs/18 INTs. He is Derek Anderson bad now.
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like i said, they signed him in hoping he can play more like he did pre-2008 postseason. If he isn't any better than that then they have Wallace, who is definitely an upgrade over DA/BQ at least.
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Seriously. 55% completions. 8 TDs/18 INTs. He is Derek Anderson bad now.
I have no expectations whatsoever, but I think he will still be better than what we had last year if for no other reason than the Browns running game will be better, so even if he's Derek Anderson bad, which is certainly possible, Derek Anderson bad with a better surrounding cast is still better.
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lol @ KC picking first.

edit: if they pick first next year I will do some damage to someone
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I'll say the Bills... but as a darkhorse team I could really see the Bears absolutely collapsing this year. No. 1 overall doesn't seem likely, but I could definitely see top 5 for them. They're old at some key positions defensively, and are running a Mike Martz offense with:

A. Few receivers of any note
B. Few offensive linemen who can be relied upon to hold up for lots of seven step drops in pass protection
C. A quarterback who has been turnover prone in his young career.

All of these things pretty much point directly against what Martz likes to do as a playcaller... so good luck with that. And if Peppers gets complacent playing on his new megadeal, well, things could get UGLY.

Another darkhorse team-- The Jags. It just seems like that team has been stuck in place for a few seasons while every other team in the division has gotten better around them. Similar to the Bears, I doubt they'll be picking No. 1 overall, but top 5 is a real possibility.

I think the Rams will be juuuuuust good enough to dodge the No. 1 overall pick. 2nd or 3rd for them.
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first 2 picks next year.

1) Browns 3-13
2) Cardinals 4-12
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Browns won 5 games last year with the following passing statistics.

33/81 1 td 4 int 377 yards

We vastly upgraded the biggest weakness besides QB on the team with our secondary, we played with two rookie receivers last year as well as Mike Furrey/Chansi Stuckey. Our tight end for most of the year was Robert Royal with Evan Moore only getting some time coming off of the practice squad.

We added plenty of depth on defense and for as bad as our QB situation is right now its light years ahead of last year. If Jake can settle down and play like he did before last years dreadful season then I think we will compete in enough games that we wont be picking first overall.

I could definitely see us in the top 10 or even top 5 but I don't think we're gonna be a candidate for the #1 overall pick with the way some other teams roster's are looking.

Also, last year our team had some pretty big injuries on defense, including Rogers/D'Qwell so at this point it almost feels like we're adding them to an already improved defense.

That being said, we're the Browns, anything can happen.

EDIT : People in here are also mistaken thinking that Browns fans think Delhomme is good. We know he sucks, but at least he has done SOMETHING in his career before last year that makes people think he can at least complete some passes. The Browns season last year passing may have been the worst thing I've ever witnessed in pro football. We seriously went into games wondering if we would put up more than 6 points it was that bad. The passes were all over the place and if the passes were on targets there were drops from our inexperienced receiving corps, it was horrible. Go watch a film of our 2009 passing game and you'll be haunted for the rest of your life and clinging to your favorite child hood stuffed animal while sucking your thumb.
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first 2 picks next year.

1) Browns 3-13
2) Cardinals 4-12
Cardinals 4-12.........? In the NFC West......?

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Most of the time, there is no correlation between playing well late in the season and playing well the next year. There is just too big a gap during the offseason. Plus, Delhomme is crap.

And you guys "kicked butt" against OAK, KC, and JAX... meh
Nice of you to conveniently forget that we held Pitt to 6 points and sacked them like 8 times while they were fighting for their playoff spot.
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first 2 picks next year.

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Yeah, I'm gonna have them picking #2 because they lost their QB.

That makes zero sense. Arizona has one of the most talented teams in the league.
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Browns fans, did you actually watch Jake Delhomme last year? He was an absolute disaster and that was with a much better offensive supporting cast then he'll have in Cleveland.

Seriously. 55% completions. 8 TDs/18 INTs. He is Derek Anderson bad now.
Seriously this. Delhomme was disgusting to watch, and in no way is an upgrade to Quinn/Anderson. Saying that the team is hoping for Delhomme to play like pre 2008 is like saying the team is still waiting for Anderson to play pre 2008.
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Seriously this. Delhomme was disgusting to watch, and in no way is an upgrade to Quinn/Anderson. Saying that the team is hoping for Delhomme to play like pre 2008 is like saying the team is still waiting for Anderson to play pre 2008.
I don't think it's quite the same. There are guys who have had bad seasons and come back to play well again, but DA was nothing, had a great season where he basically threw the ball really far and let Braylon go get it, then came back to Earth where he belongs.

I will say, yes, you are all right, the Browns will not be a good team next year, but they won't pick #1. But I know I'm not going to change anyone's minds, so I'm done.

Anyway, I think it's Tampa or St. Louis. I would say the Bills, but they always surprise me and play hard, and win 6 or so games.
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Eh...I think having the top pick of the draft and being unable to trade out of it would be Bill Belichick's worst nightmare.
I don't disagree with your main point, but I do disagree that the pick would be untradeable. It Belichick were to stick to the value chart, then yes, maybe it would be, but he seems like the type of guy that would simply take the best offer. If that happened to be say pick #8 and the teams second this year, I don't see why he wouldn't pull the trigger. I could also be completely wrong, though.
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