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Old 12-16-2010, 11:57 AM    (permalink
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nope. i agree. we need youth and talent almost everywhere. the only real foundations we have worth much are landry, trent williams, and orakpo. dhall isnt on their level but hes young and here for a while so you can add him too. probably cooley also but thats it.
I love Rocky McIntosh but he's not a great 34 fit even though he's been solid. Anthony Armstrong also projects as a future deep threat for us just shouldn't be a starter.
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I will say that I am also a Torain fan...when healthy...

Don't think I would count on him for the future with his injury history so far however.
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Yea cause it wouldn't be nice to beat the cowboys or anything....**** this nightmare
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There goes getting Fairley or Darreus, we are definitely going QB, which I'm not upset about. Obviously luck in a trade up would be the dream but after that I'd rate them Newton, Locker, Mallett, although all 3 have major question marks.
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So without an effective running game, game breaking WR's, or pass blocking, the Skins are going to invest a lot of money and a premium pick on a QB? Seems like a bad idea to me. Enjoy drafting Top 10 again in 2012...
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So without an effective running game, game breaking WR's, or pass blocking, the Skins are going to invest a lot of money and a premium pick on a QB? Seems like a bad idea to me. Enjoy drafting Top 10 again in 2012...
Sadly enough you have neglected the fact that our defense is worst than our offense. A NT and 5 tech DE is actually a greater need than any you listed. We also need a starting FS and some 34 LB's. Oh well's. At least if we get a rookie QB there will be something to look forward to.
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If the Skins can trade back a little and still get Newton or Locker or Mallett and get extra picks, they can probably shore up some of these items. There will always be good 3-4 LB's available. I'm just surprised they wouldn't try to reload the interior OLine as well before investing in a new QB. That's like trying to fix the hole in your roof by buying a new TV. haha
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Shanny believes though he can find interior line gems late round and undrafted, and he has in the past but it's an awfully dangerous game to play.
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The Eagles have done that for years with great success. They also try to get 3+ per year and tend to keep 1. It's a numbers game.
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The Eagles have done well getting guys super late or UDFA. McGlynn, Jamaal Jackson, Hank Fraley, King Dunlap, etc. They have gone OLine a lot early and late because it can be safe, but it's not easy to hit on every one. They do generally have a lot of picks. That is part of the organizational philosophy.
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my worst nightmare has come true, we won't even have a top 10 pick. the skins have ruined the beginning of our season and the end of it, damn you to hell mike shanahan
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If the Skins can trade back a little and still get Newton or Locker or Mallett and get extra picks, they can probably shore up some of these items. There will always be good 3-4 LB's available. I'm just surprised they wouldn't try to reload the interior OLine as well before investing in a new QB. That's like trying to fix the hole in your roof by buying a new TV. haha
they can and probably will work on the interior oline but you dont do that with a top 10 pick in the first round. sure itd be great to have a 3rd or 4th round pick to draft oline but we dont so we go for 5th and 6th and free agency likely.

we have a top 10 pick on one side of the 3-4. we dont need one on both sides. we just need a better fit. i think carlos walks so we probably need a starting cb, an upgarde at fs, 2 new interior lineman at least, 1-2 new dlineman, and a #1 wr.

of those, you could hope for aj green, prince, or peterson in the top 10, otherwise you dont draft interior oline and typically you dont draft 3-4 dlineman (although it seems to have gotten more popular recently even though some of those picks havent turned out to have been worth it) which leaves qb.
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Lol, this team is such a disgrace but at least they're not boring
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After hearing Shanahan's presser I'm 100% sure we draft QB. He kept referring to evaluating the draft when talking about the qb situation and it wasn't a coincidence. Really not a fan of any of these QB's value wise, besides Luck who we wont get. I guess we could trade up but seriously we cant afford it. Locker or Newton, ugh...all these guys scream bust to me, I think Locker has the highest ceiling out of him Newton and Mallet at least.
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There goes getting Fairley or Darreus, we are definitely going QB, which I'm not upset about. Obviously luck in a trade up would be the dream but after that I'd rate them Newton, Locker, Mallett, although all 3 have major question marks.
Agree with this, mostly.
A team would be dumb to let us trade up for a franchise QB like Luck(if he declares),i'd offer 2011 and 2012 first and throw in Cooley or Davis.
Snakebitten on Auburn's Newton after the Campbell failure.
Locker has Sarkisian coaching him(ex-USC did he work with Sanchez?).
Mallett has Petrino(nfl failure but a known offensive guru in college) as his coach.
I think those 2 QB's will have alot to offer the nfl.


The benching of McNabb(mike's guy) will give kyle Shannahan the chance to put his guy in to run his style of offense.
Looking to the future,are Grossman and Beck worth keeping,makes the cowboys game a little interesting but expecting the usual defeat.

A waste of two good picks for McNabb if he goes but it is not like there was much in free agency last off-season.
I doubt he stays around to tutor a rookie,he'll want to do more than that.
Some desperate team give us back a pick please!
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According to reports Kyle Shanahan wanted Marc Bulger. He wanted to let him compete with Grossman for the starting job, and draft a QB thereafter.

Believe it or not, McNabb was Mike's guy.....
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haha rexy actually didnt look terrible today. i mean damn he threw 4 touchdowns and moved the ball. a couple turnovers but mcnabb was doing that too. the defense was the real concern today. we really need landry healthy in this secondary. i hope orakpo isnt hurt too badly but he is saying he is concerned with the injury so we could lose him these last two games. we clearly have some needs on this dline as well as in the secondary and another pass rusher opposite orakpo.
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haha rexy actually didnt look terrible today. i mean damn he threw 4 touchdowns and moved the ball. a couple turnovers but mcnabb was doing that too. the defense was the real concern today. we really need landry healthy in this secondary. i hope orakpo isnt hurt too badly but he is saying he is concerned with the injury so we could lose him these last two games. we clearly have some needs on this dline as well as in the secondary and another pass rusher opposite orakpo.
Confirms my thinking lately - McNabb has performed poorly this year and he won't be back in 2011. Add QB to the list of rebuilding needs for this team. At least 2 off seasons to get the Skins to a competitive level.
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I think the draft in 2 years when we are reloaded with picks will be the defensive overhaul year. Next year I think the top priority should be a franchise QB, #1 wideout, and interior line help. Next offseason should be focused on offense because it takes longer for the QB and O-line to grow. Defensive players tend to have more immediate impacts. Last thing I want to do is wait another year for a franchise QB especially since next year beyond Matt Barkley the QB class looks extremely poor. I remember last year we didn't go after Bradford or Claussen because we'd wait for this years class, I don't want to wait another year.
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I just hope we can trade down if we have to settle for Newton, Mallet or Locker. Even a third could be huge.
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Tough loss today.
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Thanks, yea I wouldve been fine with Bulger, or an equivalent vet stop gap that didn't require picks like Mcnabb. I wanted a full-on rebuild through the draft.

If it was up to me, I would not have done the Mcnabb trade and kept the picks and kept Campbell for 1 more year and just picked up a QB in this draft. Also would've ended up with a better draft pick and you couldve benched him for Grossman if you wanted much sooner.

The trade just slows the rebuilding process even more now. However, it was hard for most skins fans to be mad at the time because Mcnabb is the best QB the skins have had for about 20 years
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