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Old 10-26-2011, 02:08 PM    (permalink
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The Big East has to hope that Louisville is taken by the Big 12 to help keep their BCS chances alive
The big easts AQ is gone no matter what. And in a couple years, Louisville will be relevant in football again.
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And in a couple years, Louisville will be relevant in football again.
They were never that relevant. Under John L. Smith and Bobby Petrino they were a great Conference USA team and played in the Liberty Bowl and the GMAC Bowl. I guess relevant is relative, but Louisville is a pretty small potatoes football program and always has been. That's why those two coaches left when they had success.
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The big easts AQ is gone no matter what. And in a couple years, Louisville will be relevant in football again.
Reports are that if the BCS takes away the Big East's automatic bid, they will have an extremely strong anti-trust case against the BCS and NCAA and a very strong case against ESPN for breach of contract and failure to meet their fiduciary responsibilities.
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saw on twitter that WVU is "50-50" to join Big 12 and that it's a tossup with L'ville.Louisville makes more sense geographically then WVU does
Geography has proven to mean nothing in this process.
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They were never that relevant. Under John L. Smith and Bobby Petrino they were a great Conference USA team and played in the Liberty Bowl and the GMAC Bowl. I guess relevant is relative, but Louisville is a pretty small potatoes football program and always has been. That's why those two coaches left when they had success.

Relevant is a very arbitrary word, but if we use your definition, then there is only about 15-20 schools that have ever been relevant.
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Relevant is a very arbitrary word, but if we use your definition, then there is only about 15-20 schools that have ever been relevant.
Hmm...maybe. Let's try, I'm bored.

Teams to win Division I championships (since 1960, otherwise the # is MUCH bigger): 27

We could also add BCS bowls, but that would take way too long and bump our number up to about 60-70.

You could also look at this ESPN feature which historically ranked college football programs (Louisville is 59th just below Air Force and NC State)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3842161

Or I guess you could just say 15-20.
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So, right in the middle? So at what point are schools not relevant?
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So, right in the middle? So at what point are schools not relevant?
Right in the middle of all FBS. At the bottom of BCS teams.

You're saying that Louisville will be relevant again in adding to a BCS conference's profile (in response to Diab). That's never really been the case. They are a fantastic mid-major program, or a lesser BCS program. That's why nobody is in a rush to add them.
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Their football program isn't going to stop them from getting into the big 12. The Athletic Department as a whole is one of the most profitable in the nation.
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Hmm...maybe. Let's try, I'm bored.

Teams to win Division I championships (since 1960, otherwise the # is MUCH bigger): 27

We could also add BCS bowls, but that would take way too long and bump our number up to about 60-70.

You could also look at this ESPN feature which historically ranked college football programs (Louisville is 59th just below Air Force and NC State)

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3842161

Or I guess you could just say 15-20.
15-20 is very low.

FSU, Miami, Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin, Iowa, LSU, Arkansas, Texas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Notre Dame, USC, Oregon, California, Boise State. That makes 25.

You can also add Georgia Tech, Clemson, South Carolina, North Carolina, Texas A&M, Kansas State, Missouri, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington, Oregon State, Stanford, or TCU.

Relevant to me means BCS teams that win or at least challenge for conference championships or non-BCS teams that consistently win their conference and are annually ranked in the top-25.
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Their football program isn't going to stop them from getting into the big 12. The Athletic Department as a whole is one of the most profitable in the nation.
It's really annoying because you say factually wrong things, and then I have to spend time looking things up to prove you wrong. You could just look it up yourself and save everyone time.


http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financ...enue_stat/show

41 million dollars for Louisville. I guess that's "most profitable" if by most profitable you again mean in the middle.
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It's really annoying because you say factually wrong things, and then I have to spend time looking things up to prove you wrong. You could just look it up yourself and save everyone time.


http://www2.indystar.com/NCAA_financ...enue_stat/show

41 million dollars for Louisville. I guess that's "most profitable" if by most profitable you again mean in the middle.

Your link doesn't work.

http://undergroundsportsnetwork.net/...letic-program/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmo...r-financially/
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That's an awful way of looking at it. Your profit margin in college atheltics is meaningless relative to how much money you're actually bringing in.

If Ohio State creates 100 million dollars of revenue, and reinvests all of it in their athletics, they have a profit margin of zero, but a massive athletic program.

If Louisville makes 40 million and spends 38 million of it, they have a larger profit margin, but their athletic program is still less than half the size of Ohio State.

Conference comissioners don't care if you can balance your books. They care if you can bring in money, and Louisville is a middle-of-the-road program in that regard.
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Its really annoying because you obviously aren't very good at your "research"
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I have read interviews with Tom Jurich before, and I do agree that he's a gem of an AD. He's done a lot with what he has at Louisville.
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Its really annoying because you obviously aren't very good at your "research"
What about profit margins makes Louisville attractive to other conferences? Explain to me how that works.
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Profit margin is meaningless? Thats ridiculous.
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I remember when everyone in the Big East dogged Louisville as BE was looking for teams to expand. They didn't think we were a name team, couldn't compete.I would argue there was no more successful team in the conference since we joined. We won like 30+ conference championships (compare to Pitt's 6). BCS, Elite 8's, College World series, national runner up woman bball, national runner up soccer, the list goes on. I am not going to pretend to know all of the financials behind a move, but the big 12 is looking at Louisville for a reason.
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Ok, so explain to me, comissioner of the SEC, why I care that you're able to pocket money. I have a conference with teams that average 70-100 million dollars in revenue generated, and I care that you're able to run a tighter ship at 40-50 million why? You're still making less money, which means you still have a smaller program, which means I don't really care if you can balance your books.

Is this seriously not making sense to you?
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I am not going to pretend to know all of the financials behind a move, but the big 12 is looking at Louisville for a reason.
Well, you did try. But congrats on being great at Women's Basketball and Soccer!!
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Profit margin matters more over money generated. How are you not getting this? Profit margin is whats left over after you take the profits and take out the expenses.
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Profit margin matters more over money generated. How are you not getting this? Profit margin is whats left over after you take the profits and take out the expenses.
Uh huh....and I care as comissioner why? I want the biggest programs. I want the programs that generate the most money. I don't care how much money of that they save.
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That money is being put back into the Athletic department, not shared among the league.
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I'm done with this argument though, its pointless. We'll see who the Big 12 adds.
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