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Old 06-30-2010, 01:02 AM    (permalink
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Elite Veteran QBs don't need big time WRs. They need chemistry with their guys. Trade him for toothpicks to the Rams.
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To me it boils down to 3 options for Aye Jay Smithe and Sab Dieagu Cheergers.

1. They can trade him for something. This something could be an anything so i will you use 'x' as its classifier. Now lets go ahead and throw this into slope intercept formula.

y=the production of the future player whether acquired person for person or acquired via the draft.

mx=the player and some other ****

b=something entirely different.

y = mx + b

So, as you can see this definitively proves the Chargers should do something.

2. They can re-sign him. If they re-sign him this will promote continuity and team chemistry. Perhaps it will lead the small nucleus of young San Diego Chargers to undergo a process known as mitosis, the cells will divide in cytokinesis and expand until they overwhelm or outlast the other football organisms and prove they're are the fittest.

3. The last option is of course: A rocket ship full of explosives shot directly at the moon. Finally at long last we will be rid of the moons' abject TYRANNY!
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Don't underestimate the importance of surrounding a QB with talented pass catchers. There's a reason why good organizations like the Patriots, Steelers, Colts and Saints will spend high Draft picks and big bucks on pass catchers.
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Old 06-30-2010, 09:41 AM    (permalink
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Obvious question, paying him will pay off in the end. You don't want to trade a top 10 WR right now and then piss off Rivers. If they trade him, they sure are confident that they can still be up there but without him the passing attack is not much. Though if it is him or Marcus Mcneal to do this to, unless you can pay both Id go with the LT.

Then a little dropoff but still some production with a better team...sign T.O.

From what I think I know though the Chargers front office is dumb and will get rid of him for a 2 seconds or a first...maybe they can get 1 of the big time wrs next year but doubtful
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I think this all depends on what offensive philosophy the Chargers want to go by in the near future. Keeping Norv Turner would likely indicate they will keep Jackson as they have a high level passing game and need the weapons to make it work. However if they go back towards a more run orientated offense, which is possible with the drafting of Ryan Mathews, then trading him may be beneficial. If they could get a 1st for Jackson, keep Marcus McNeil and upgrade their defense with the extra pick then I believe they would consider it.

If I had the choice I would definitely pay him though. In Rivers they have a top end QB and I don't see the logic in getting rid of some of his weapons.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com...ncent-jackson/

PFT says Shanahan is a "big fan" or Jacksons. Sounds like pft making up news but if they do end up being right and we do trade for this double dui'd awaiting suspension - above average receiver looking for big money - then we better not give up much. (4th rd or less)

If someone makes the logical connection and suggests we exchange idiots (Albert for VJ) we should get the pick(s) from SD.
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PFT says Shanahan is a "big fan" or Jacksons. Sounds like pft making up news but if they do end up being right and we do trade for this double dui'd awaiting suspension - above average receiver looking for big money - then we better not give up much. (4th rd or less)

If someone makes the logical connection and suggests we exchange idiots (Albert for VJ) we should get the pick(s) from SD.
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That's a very clever way of pointing out you disagree. Nice work!
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I think the thing about Jackson is that he's a bit of a one trick pony. Hes big and hes fast, but he isnt overly tough across the middle and really, hes one of those guys where you just toss it up and let him go get it. There arent really alot of offenses where thats good enough anymore, but luckily for him he found one in the Chargers that allows him to do just that. And thats exactly what the Chargers need him to do. I think it would be mutually beneficial for both sides to get a deal done, because quite frankly this is the situation which allows both parties to flourish best. Just like there arent many offenses which allow Jackson to just run under the ball, there arent alot of receivers who can do it like he can, so San Diego would be wise to pay the man his money and watch him and Rivers continue to bitchslap corners for 5 years.
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We have one first round WR, and no high priced WR. Must be DREW BREEESSSSS.
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once again GM's try and hardball and end up losing trade value compared to what they could have got had this not have turned into a firesale basically.
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I think SD would be more willing to lock him up long term if he could stay out of trouble off the field, it's kinda on him.
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I thought big WRs didn't really fit the Martz offense
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NE should see if the Chargers will trade him in the AFC. They have an extra first and second next year.
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The Saints have a 1st round WR, a 2nd round WR, a #2 overall draft pick RB who catches a lot of passes, a TE they spent 2nd and 5th round picks on. Also, Colston signed an extension a few years ago that pays him something like 3 mill per year.
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All good points, except that $3 million a year is nothing.
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All good points, except that $3 million a year is nothing.
Just because there's a lot of money in the NFL doesn't mean 3 mill is nothing. It's still 3 mill. That's over double the average NFL salary. Regardless, the Saints clearly spend a lot of resources on pass catchers.
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He isn't worthly of a 10 million per year contractl; he hasn't been a top 5 wideout in this league, has he even been a top 10? Ship him to the Redskins for Devin Thomas, a 2nd, and 4th
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Your joking right? I think some people are judging VJ's game by his stats which isn't fair, Rivers spreads the ball around alot.

I don't see him as a top five WR and don't think he should be paid as such but top 10 is another story.
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I dunno, I could probably name 10 WR I'd rather have on my team then Vincent Jackson, but I dont think the Chargers could say the same. Hes perfect for what they do.
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10 over VJ? Name em.

Anyways, I'd pay McNeil before I would pay VJ. Don't get me wrong I love VJ he is a beast and hard to play 1v1 on, but McNeil is more important for me. We have another month to see what happens, AJ won't budge he's not dumb and won't care for these hold outs. He could move on and forget about it the next day. What I think will happen is he'll miss the pre-season and then sign and play the rest of the season after his suspension. If he does have it? I'm not sure, but if he cared that much about money and a contract he wouldn't sit out an entire year with no pay.
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Depends on what you get for him.
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I dunno, I could probably name 10 WR I'd rather have on my team then Vincent Jackson.
I agree with that. Vincent Jackson is good, certainly not elite or anywhere near that level.

BETTER NOW
Andre
Calvin
Fitzgerald
Jennings
Wayne
Moss
Welker
Marshall
Steve Smith (Carolina)
Boldin
Colston
Rice
Austin
85 (maybe)
Roddy White (maybe)

WORTH MORE
Crabtree
Dez Bryant
Desean Jackson
Jordyzzzzzz

I might be forgetting some too.
If Braylon Edwards could catch, he'd be ranked. But as a WR, helps to catch.
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