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Old 06-30-2010, 04:34 PM    (permalink
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I agree with that. Vincent Jackson is good, certainly not elite or anywhere near that level.

BETTER NOW
Andre
Calvin
Fitzgerald
Jennings
Wayne
Moss
Welker
Marshall
Steve Smith (Carolina)
Boldin
Colston
Rice
Austin
85 (maybe)
Roddy White (maybe)

WORTH MORE
Crabtree
Dez Bryant
Desean Jackson
Jordyzzzzzz

I might be forgetting some too.
If Braylon Edwards could catch, he'd be ranked. But as a WR, helps to catch.
Of course, factoring my own personal preferences and what I like in a WR, I would probably go with

1. Andre Johnson
2. Larry Fitzgerald
3. Brandon Marshall
4. Randy Moss
5. Calvin Johnson
6. Anquan Boldin
7. Steve Smith (CAR)
8. Roddy White
9. Reggie Wayne
10. Desean Jackson

Yeah, that looks about right.
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10 over VJ? Name em.

Anyways, I'd pay McNeil before I would pay VJ. Don't get me wrong I love VJ he is a beast and hard to play 1v1 on, but McNeil is more important for me. We have another month to see what happens, AJ won't budge he's not dumb and won't care for these hold outs. He could move on and forget about it the next day. What I think will happen is he'll miss the pre-season and then sign and play the rest of the season after his suspension. If he does have it? I'm not sure, but if he cared that much about money and a contract he wouldn't sit out an entire year with no pay.
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2. Brandon Marshall
3. Ocho
4. Reggie Wayne
5. Andre Johnson
6. Megatron
7. Larry Fitzgerald
8. Steve Smith
9. DeSean Jackson
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Trade his drunk ass. I mean, just think about the WR class next year. I came five times.
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Unless the Chargers get a first round pick for Jackson, they will almost certainly miss out on the premier receiver talent in the 2011 draft.

Honestly, the whole idea of ranking Jackson and arguing his salary as a result is pretty detached from the reality. It's not like San Diego is choosing between Jackson and any other wide receiver in the NFL, they're choosing between having Jackson and not having Jackson.

When it comes to running a go-route, beating double coverage, and making the catch, Jackson is barely behind the top tier of receivers, and I wouldn't really have an issue with someone ranking him in that top tier. He's not the focal point of that offense, but he gets open enough that if they wanted to take away from Gates and Floyd and send more balls his way, he'd be posting sensational numbers.

As a Raider fan, I hope they trade him, but it'd be a dumb move.
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Crabs really? I mean he's good, but over VJ I'd agree with half of the players on your list, but towards the end it seems you're just naming them to put over VJ. For as big of a player he is who can move like him, I'd choose him over a lot of players, he's creates mismatches all over the field, look beyond the stats and see how he opens up the passing game for others. You can call that the homer in me, but no homer intended I think he breaks the top 10 easily.
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Crabs really? I mean he's good, but over VJ I'd agree with half of the players on your list, but towards the end it seems you're just naming them to put over VJ. For as big of a player he is who can move like him, I'd choose him over a lot of players, he's creates mismatches all over the field, look beyond the stats and see how he opens up the passing game for others. You can call that the homer in me, but no homer intended I think he breaks the top 10 easily.
Meh, to each their own. I can easily buy how one might put him in the top 10, and really there isnt a logical argument as to why he shouldnt be there. I think alot of it is personal/scheme preference, and I dont think anyone posting in this thread is gunna be overly critical of you putting VJ in the top 10.
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Wow. Some of your lists of guys you say are better than Jackson are just insane. Crabtree? Seriously? Dez "a ******* rookie" Bryant?"

Jackson is a seriously physically imposing guy to try and defend, and he has the size to be a QBs best friend. He's also still quite young.

I'd put up #1 WR for him. He certainly would have gotten it on the open market too if the CBA didn't change.
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I agree with that. Vincent Jackson is good, certainly not elite or anywhere near that level.

BETTER NOW
Andre
Calvin
Fitzgerald
Jennings
Wayne
Moss
Welker
Marshall
Steve Smith (Carolina)
Boldin
Colston
Rice
Austin
85 (maybe)
Roddy White (maybe)

WORTH MORE
Crabtree
Dez Bryant
Desean Jackson
Jordyzzzzzz

I might be forgetting some too.
If Braylon Edwards could catch, he'd be ranked. But as a WR, helps to catch.


Worth More? What does that, or that section even mean?


Wes Welker over VJ? Welker is great at what he does, but he doesn't roll double coverage to him to open up everyone else, he is a very good WR but I'm in no way taking a guy who pretty much HAS to play in the slot over a guy like VJ.
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Worth More? What does that, or that section even mean?


Wes Welker over VJ? Welker is great at what he does, but he doesn't roll double coverage to him to open up everyone else, he is a very good WR but I'm in no way taking a guy who pretty much HAS to play in the slot over a guy like VJ.
Bravo. Reading his list makes me angrier and angrier each time......it's almost got the vein in my temple throbbing.
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Plus "Jordyzzzz" better be a joke.
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Your joking right? I think some people are judging VJ's game by his stats which isn't fair, Rivers spreads the ball around alot.

I don't see him as a top five WR and don't think he should be paid as such but top 10 is another story.
Devin's value is a 4th round pick, so a 2nd and two 4ths is the same as getting a 2nd and 3rd for him; he really isn't worth more than a 2nd and 3rd
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What makes Devin Thomas worth a 4th round pick?
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Im personally a Devin Thomas fan and I think he's a bit similar to Brandon Marshall. I believe that if McNabb is going to have anyone to throw to on that offense besides Cooley, its gunna be Thomas. I dont see any benefit for the Chargers in trading for a guy like Devin Thomas though, not when they already have VJ.
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Worth More? What does that, or that section even mean?
Value.... put Dez, Crabtree, and Jackson on the open market, and you can't tell me with a straight face that Jackson would command as high of a pick as you could get for either Crabtree or Dez Bryant.

Now I'm not saying those youngsters are better right now, which is why I didn't put them on my top ten list.

The Chargers are my favorite AFC team and I drafted VJ last year in Fantasy, then traded him in about week 10 before he melted down in production the last 5 games or so. So I like Vincent. But he's good, not great, and he's a drunk with 2 strikes on him, and he's expecting crazy money. I'd ship his ass to the highest bidder that's got a crappy QB, and see how much he misses Philip Rivers and that offense. See how he does catching passes from Jake Delhomme. Send him to Cleveland.
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guys with that size recieve extra attention than others, just because he's 6'5 and 230 doesn't make him a top 10 wideout.

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Of course his size doesn't make him a top 10 no one said that, it was added that his athleticism and speed added with that size is a mismatch for any DB. It's proven if you watch at least one of this game, he opens up the field for other targets, no one said his size alone got him into the top 10.

Of course Dez an unproven WR , from a guy who made a thread about Emmit vs Barry, he's way more valuable than a proven VJ.
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Value.... put Dez, Crabtree, and Jackson on the open market, and you can't tell me with a straight face that Jackson would command as high of a pick as you could get for either Crabtree or Dez Bryant.


I'm not sure what point your trying to make. Of course a WR who was just picked in the 1st round months ago is going to garner at least a 1st round pick in return before he even steps foot in Training Camp, that'd be the same in nearly every situation. I don't know what that has to do with anything were talking about here or why it was important to bring that up.



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guys with that size recieve extra attention than others, just because he's 6'5 and 230 doesn't make him a top 10 wideout.

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Who are you referring to, me?


If you are, I never said his size makes him top 10, nor did I ever say he was top 10 one time. But your crazy if you would take Welker of VJ if your starting a team and your picking your first WR to build around. Welker isn't a WR you build around, he's a luxury that's nice to have and very good at what he does but if you put the stat sheet aside there is no way you take him over VJ.


Besides that point, just because you have size doesn't mean you get extra attention. That's just a ridiculous point, you know how many big, tall, WR's in the league are trash and never amount to anything? It takes alot more then size to garner attention and double teams.
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Clarence Moore can attest to the fact that you have to be more then big and fast to garner attention in the NFL.
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Those lists fail. Vincent Jackson is easily top-10 and I would peg him 4th behind Johnson, Fitzgerald and Marshall.
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I'm not sure what point your trying to make. Of course a WR who was just picked in the 1st round months ago is going to garner at least a 1st round pick in return before he even steps foot in Training Camp, that'd be the same in nearly every situation. I don't know what that has to do with anything were talking about here or why it was important to bring that up.





Who are you referring to, me?


If you are, I never said his size makes him top 10, nor did I ever say he was top 10 one time. But your crazy if you would take Welker of VJ if your starting a team and your picking your first WR to build around. Welker isn't a WR you build around, he's a luxury that's nice to have and very good at what he does but if you put the stat sheet aside there is no way you take him over VJ.


Besides that point, just because you have size doesn't mean you get extra attention. That's just a ridiculous point, you know how many big, tall, WR's in the league are trash and never amount to anything? It takes alot more then size to garner attention and double teams.
i wasn't refering to you, but how many people fall in love with the 6'4+ wideouts because of ZOMGZZZZ HE CAN GO DEEP AND OUT JUMP ANYONE!111!111

you would be lying to yourself if you don't believe that a 6'2+ 220+ wideout gets more attention than a 6'0 guy
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