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Old 06-30-2010, 11:12 PM    (permalink
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you would be lying to yourself if you don't believe that a 6'2+ 220+ wideout gets more attention than a 6'0 guy

Dwayne Jarrett: 6'4 220 lbs


Desean Jackson: 5'10 175 lbs



I'm not really sure why how big or tall a WR is has anything to do with garnering attention. Do you think defenses pay extra attention to guys like Dwayne Jarrett, Ernest Wilford, and Reggie Williams just because their big?


Not really sure I'm catching your drift here.
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I think that the Chargers should keep him but not pay him. Jackson holding out will only hurt him and since he's on the verge of getting suspended for four games this season, holding out to week ten and then serving the suspension will mean that he wont have credit for an accrued season meaning that he'll still be in the same situation next year.

He should have just signed his tender before SD lowered it and just play because once the new CBA kicks in, he would have most likely been a UFA in March 2011 anyway and with McNeill in the same situation, its highly unlikely that they will franchise him over McNeill in 2011 so long story short, Jackson should have just signed his RFA tender before it was lowered.

And there's no way in hell that Jackson should be paid more than Marshall. If anything, he should be about $10m lower if not more.
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If the chargers let him go they'd be giving up on contending. Gates is a beast and all, but without those trees on the outside Rivers would come down to earth and that offense would be a lot less explosive, which is a problem with an OL that does so poorly at run blocking and a defense that's still being rebuilt.
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Well whoever he's playing for in 2010, they're going to be without him for at least 2, but more likely 4 games.

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In 2007, then-Chiefs defensive end Jared Allen received a four-game suspension after a second DUI. On appeal, the league reduced his sanction to two games.
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Trade him and then trade up to get one of the big 4 WR's.
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Vincent Jackson is a beast, I'm surprised at how he's being viewed on here.

We can argue about VJax all day, but the point remains, he's perfect for SD, and SD is perfect for him.

They mutually benefit from their relationship. Both sides lose in this stalemate.

If the Chargers replace him, they need to replace him with another big WR, and its no guaranatee they find that in the draft. They had their chance when Dez Bryant was slipping, instead of moving up for Matthews they should have went after Dez Bryant.

But what's done is done, and now they have to fix this mess.
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He's officially been suspended 3 games for violating the league's personal conduct policy.

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I think that the Chargers should keep him but not pay him. Jackson holding out will only hurt him and since he's on the verge of getting suspended for four games this season, holding out to week ten and then serving the suspension will mean that he wont have credit for an accrued season meaning that he'll still be in the same situation next year.

He should have just signed his tender before SD lowered it and just play because once the new CBA kicks in, he would have most likely been a UFA in March 2011 anyway and with McNeill in the same situation, its highly unlikely that they will franchise him over McNeill in 2011 so long story short, Jackson should have just signed his RFA tender before it was lowered.

And there's no way in hell that Jackson should be paid more than Marshall. If anything, he should be about $10m lower if not more.
That's the big kicker in all of this.

I mean, I'm not even sure GMs and the like either have permission from their owner's to sign these guys to extensions. What incentive does an owner have to shell out a bunch of money, when he knows that he can basically force the player to play for pennies on the dollar this year, and then deal with it next year after the lockout, where player contracts are expect to decrease. A lot.

Also, I'm not even sure GMs know (or are willing to figure it out, since the entire structure is likely to change in a year) how to negotiate a new contract without violating things like the 30% rule and a host of other variables we likely don't know about.

There's just very, very, very little incentive for teams to sign anybody to an extension right now.
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He's officially been suspended 3 games for violating the league's personal conduct policy.

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Dummy should have signed his tender before it dropped. No way he's getting an extension now.
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Dummy should have signed his tender before it dropped. No way he's getting an extension now.
I don't think this will limit his chance of getting an extention. I do think it limits how much money he'll make now. This hurt him dollar wise IMO.
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Maybe with the Chargers. Lets not forget that off field issues didnt exactly cost Jared Allen or Brandon Marshall any money with their respective new teams. If VJ gets moved, you bet your ass hes gunna get paid.
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I don't think this will limit his chance of getting an extention. I do think it limits how much money he'll make now. This hurt him dollar wise IMO.
I think it pretty much kills his chance of getting an extension before the lockout/new CBA. 75% of guys weren't gonna get one anyways, for the reasons I stated in my post a couple spots up. They'd extend McNeil at this point before Jackson.
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Pay him. Even if they miss him if he's suspended for his DUIs, he & Rivers have the chemsitry & they can't throw it to Gates every 3rd down.
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Pay him. Even if they miss him if he's suspended for his DUIs, he & Rivers have the chemsitry & they can't throw it to Gates every 3rd down.
Oh thats where you are wrong sir. They can throw it to Gates every 3rd down. And he will catch it. Because hes Antonio Gates.
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I don't pay him unless he goes significantly down from the figure he wants.
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how about a three way trade...pats send mankins to pitt, pitt sends a 1st or 2nd rd pick to the bolts and bolts send jackson to NE?....BOOM
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how about a three way trade...pats send mankins to pitt, pitt sends a 1st or 2nd rd pick to the bolts and bolts send jackson to NE?....BOOM
No doubt you are a Pats fan. Why would the Steelers trade a 1st or 2nd for Mankins? They got a first for Seymore. The steelers would rather spend that first or second and keep Jackson for themselves with the less than ideal WR situation.
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yes sweet pea, I am a pats fan, I approach this from things that make us better. Considering the steelers wont have a qb to throw the ball for the 1st 6 games so they will be running the ball quite a bit and when they do have a qb they cant protect him, itd be better to build inside out for them.
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This would be so much funnier of a discussion if his initials were VD. Then the debate would be which is better: Crabs or VD.

Oh, and I'll take Crabtree. I don't really see why so many people love an average #1 WR if that.
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Oh, and I'll take Crabtree. I don't really see why so many people love an average #1 WR if that.
Not to say I wouldn't take Crabtree longterm, but realistically what has he shown at this point to say he's more then an average #1 WR? We can assume he'll be more, but we'd be doing the same with VJ too.
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If you're just looking at stats alone, sure he'll look average. But if you know what he does for other players and his physical presence then thats a different story. Also his stats are average because Rivers will spread the ball around to everyone, and not just one player.
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If you're just looking at stats alone, sure he'll look average. But if you know what he does for other players and his physical presence then thats a different story. Also his stats are average because Rivers will spread the ball around to everyone, and not just one player.
This. As a Chiefs fan I keep an a eye on SD all year and dude is a beast, a jackass off the field but dude can ball.
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If the chargers let him go they'd be giving up on contending. Gates is a beast and all, but without those trees on the outside Rivers would come down to earth and that offense would be a lot less explosive, which is a problem with an OL that does so poorly at run blocking and a defense that's still being rebuilt.
Really? Rivers seemed to have done quite well his first year starting with 5'11" Eric Parker and 6'0" Keenan McCardell. He also exploded in 2008 with a 5'11" Chris Chambers as well. People seem to have this weird misconception that he just throws it up and that's all he needs to do as a QB because of VJ's size. That's hardly the picture at all. Rivers uses his receivers to his advantage whether it's size or speed or jumping ability or anything else.
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As a Colts fan, I hope they trade him to the NFC.
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Those lists fail. Vincent Jackson is easily top-10 and I would peg him 4th behind Johnson, Fitzgerald and Marshall.
False. You must be VJ's agent or his mother.
There's not ONE GM in the NFL who would take Vincent Jackson over Calvin Johnson. He's not the 4th best WR in the NFL, not even close.

That's talent/production/character/net worth, everything.

His talent isn't top 5.
His production isn't top 5.
He character isn't top 50 (hello suspension).

Production:
Even last year when VJ supposedly broke-out, he had fewer yards receiving than Santonio Holmes did, and almost 200 less than Miles Austin, a guy who really didn't start until month 2 of the season.

Roddy White had more catches and 2 more TDs than VJ did, and that's in a year in which Matt Ryan was hurt.

Randy Moss' stats blew him away last year. Moss had more catches, more yards, and 44% more TDs.

Marques Colston's stats are very similar, but Colston isn't a criminal who's suspended for it either. Still, I don't see anyone calling Colston a top-4 WR.

Sidney Rice had 15 more catches and almost 200 yards more than VJ did, and Rice is younger.

Again, I hate to argue on behalf of any Minnesota Viking, but to say Vince Jackson is better than every WR other than Andre, LF, and Marshall is either suspicious, or just an April 1st post.

And I haven't even mentioned Greg Jennings, Steve Smith, or Anquan Boldin. Talent & Production-wise, I don't think a case can be made that Jackson is better than any of those 3 guys. Put Steve Smith on San Diego the past 3 seasons instead of Carolina with horse**** Jake Delhomme, and put VJ in Smith's shoes in Carolina.
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