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Old 07-12-2010, 12:43 PM    (permalink
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Bernard Pollard taking out Brady's knee.

Brady went out, Cassell went in, he started to play well, then McDaniels went to Denver and Pioli to Chiefs. McDaniels wanted Cassell because he liked the way he played in his system, which caused Cutler to want a trade. Pioli then got the man he wanted in Cassel for the chiefs, which allowed them to not draft a QB early in the first and take both Tyson Jackson last year and Eric Berry this year. Cutler was dealt to Chicago, who hasn't had a first round pick in the past two years. Chicago, being the graveyard for QB's that it is, got to watch a very inconsistent, and at times downright despicable, series of games from Cutler. Denver, meanwhile, wound up with Orton and multiple first round picks, two of which were used to draft players that have been somewhat disappointing, and another pick used to draft the most controversial prospect the NFL has seen in a while; this coming after they also acquired the once-talented but scarcely-allowed-to-perform Brady Quinn. The Tebow pick will probably define McDaniels future career. If he develops well, McDaniels is a genius. If he busts, as many think he will, McDaniels is the biggest doofus of a HC in recent history.

Pollard got released from the Chiefs and got a nice deal from Houston, where he surprised many and played well. He then went on to participate in the play that resulted in Wes Welkers season-ending injury, once again seriously damaging the knee of a key Patriots player. As was the case two years ago, this loss ultimately cost the Patriots a true chance to become champions.

And it all happened because Bernard Pollard was either tripped, pushed down, or played dirty, and injured Tom Brady's knee.
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Well, if Brady doesn't get hurt, Cassel doesn't play. And that probably would mean that Cutler is still in Denver, and Tebow is with another team.
I suppose that's true. I probably would have realized it if Cutler, Cassel, and Tebow had actually done something like play at a high level all of a sudden. But if you think about it, nothing has really changed between the Patriots, Broncos, Chiefs, or even Bears if you want to throw them in. Then again, it's only been one season.
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Another pivotal play happened in Week 4 of the 1990 season, which, quite possibly, could have been the most pivotal play of the 90's.

The 2-1 Bills and 2-1 Broncos met in Rich Stadium for an important AFC game. Denver was on a two-game winning streak after losing at the Raiders on opening day. The Bills were 2-1, but their loss was a 30-7 blowout at Miami in Week 2, a game that saw people like Bruce Smith and Darryl Talley being pulled early, much to their displeasure(Talley talks about this on the 90 Bills Missing Rings episode).

The year before, Buffalo was known as the "Bickering Bills", as they struggled to a 9-7 campaign and a first-round playoff exit in Cleveland. That Miami loss seemed to bring those issues to the forefront again. And when Denver jumped out to a 21-9 lead early in the fourth quarter, the game seemed over. Darryl Talley said that he was wondering when the starters were going to be pulled. Denver had a short FG attempt that would have put the game away. Then, this happens:

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The Bills would go on to win the game 29-28 in dramatic fashion, and then win two more home games with fourth quarter comebacks against the Raiders and Jets to run their record to 5-1. That winning streak, it could be argued, propelled them to SB XXV, and then to the next three Super Bowls as well. All because of one FG returned for a TD.
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Another pivotal play happened in Week 4 of the 1990 season, which, quite possibly, could have been the most pivotal play of the 90's.

The 2-1 Bills and 2-1 Broncos met in Rich Stadium for an important AFC game. Denver was on a two-game winning streak after losing at the Raiders on opening day. The Bills were 2-1, but their loss was a 30-7 blowout at Miami in Week 2, a game that saw people like Bruce Smith and Darryl Talley being pulled early, much to their displeasure(Talley talks about this on the 90 Bills Missing Rings episode).

The year before, Buffalo was known as the "Bickering Bills", as they struggled to a 9-7 campaign and a first-round playoff exit in Cleveland. That Miami loss seemed to bring those issues to the forefront again. And when Denver jumped out to a 21-9 lead early in the fourth quarter, the game seemed over. Darryl Talley said that he was wondering when the starters were going to be pulled. Denver had a short FG attempt that would have put the game away. Then, this happens:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSzUzcg8EdM

The Bills would go on to win the game 29-28 in dramatic fashion, and then win two more home games with fourth quarter comebacks against the Raiders and Jets to run their record to 5-1. That winning streak, it could be argued, propelled them to SB XXV, and then to the next three Super Bowls as well. All because of one FG returned for a TD.
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Drew Bledsoe injury that lead to Tom Brady starting.

It probably would have happened anyway, but the Patroits supporting cast might not have been as dominant by that point and could have missed out on their rings.
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U know what I feel bad for doing that to Titans fans, so here is my torture and the beginning of the dynasty of the 2000s.

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The Lions-Bears game in 2000 when Edinger made a 50+ yard FG and sent the Lions home for the holidays. That led to the Millen-Morninhweg era, and the beginning of the end for Detroit.
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Tuck Rule.

More Foxboro hijinks in the snow: when the Pats HC had the snowplow driver (a parolee from the Massachusetts state pen) clear a path for the FG kicker in the inch-deep snow on the field for a NE 3-pointer.

Hoculi's stupidity, a bogus penalty that cost the Bolts a W & launched the Steelers toward a SB win.

The Jets QB awarded a TD on a QB sneak that was > a yard short of the EZ.

Tony Romo's fumbled snap for the extra point in Seattle that marked the beginning of the Dallas playoffs drought.

5-6 plays resulting in bad calls against Seattle in the Steelers SB win that caused a Seahawks fan to hold up the sign in the stands THE STEELERS 12TH MAN WEARS A STRIPED SHIRT.

When the Steelers called "heads" in the pregame coin toss 2 decades ago, it came up heads & their opponents got the call. Steelers team captains came to subsequent coin tosses that year carrying signs reading I CALL HEADS.

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I hate how most of these plays are when the Raiders get screwed :(
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I hate how most of these plays are when the Raiders get screwed :(
Well, here's a game where they didn't: The 1976 AFC Divisional Playoff game against the Patriots when Sugar Bear Hamilton got called for a roughing the passer penalty on third and 18. That play led to 21-17 Raider win, and they went on to win their next two games and take the Super Bowl crown.

That turned out to be devastating for New England. A young, promising team that came from nowhere would never win a playoff game, and it took nine years for the franchise to win one, only to be severely pwned by the Bears in the Super Bowl.

If New England holds them on the next play, they probably go to Pittsburgh and win since Franco and Rocky didn't play, and they beat them earlier that year in Pittsburgh with them in the lineup. They would have went on to beat the Vikings as well. That would have changed the franchise's future completely, maybe even to the point where the Belichick and Brady era doesn't exist.

As for Oakland, they would be remembered as one of the best, if not the best, team to never win one. 1976 was their best chance. I don't think that they were going to beat Denver in 77, and the powerful Steelers regained their crown the next two years. New England also would have been a factor with the confidence of a Super Bowl win, and Chuck Fairbanks may not have deserted them to go back to college in 1978.

Besides, that Raider team started to break up in the late-70's, anyway. People like Biletnikoff, Sistrunk, Dr. Death, Atkinson, and Villapiano would be gone through cuts, trades, or retirement. And, no SB win in 76 may have hastened Madden's and Stabler's departures as well.
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Well, here's a game where they didn't: The 1976 AFC Divisional Playoff game against the Patriots when Sugar Bear Hamilton got called for a roughing the passer penalty on third and 18. That play led to 21-17 Raider win, and they went on to win their next two games and take the Super Bowl crown.

That turned out to be devastating for New England. A young, promising team that came from nowhere would never win a playoff game, and it took nine years for the franchise to win one, only to be severely pwned by the Bears in the Super Bowl.

If New England holds them on the next play, they probably go to Pittsburgh and win since Franco and Rocky didn't play, and they beat them earlier that year in Pittsburgh with them in the lineup. They would have went on to beat the Vikings as well. That would have changed the franchise's future completely, maybe even to the point where the Belichick and Brady era doesn't exist.

As for Oakland, they would be remembered as one of the best, if not the best, team to never win one. 1976 was their best chance. I don't think that they were going to beat Denver in 77, and the powerful Steelers regained their crown the next two years. New England also would have been a factor with the confidence of a Super Bowl win, and Chuck Fairbanks may not have deserted them to go back to college in 1978.

Besides, that Raider team started to break up in the late-70's, anyway. People like Biletnikoff, Sistrunk, Dr. Death, Atkinson, and Villapiano would be gone through cuts, trades, or retirement. And, no SB win in 76 may have hastened Madden's and Stabler's departures as well.
Yup, had the Steelers been completely healthy in 1976, they probably would have won the SB that year. They fielded the best D in NFL history that season. Their offense was just absolutely decimated by injuries.
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haha. The 1976 Raiders Americas Game is on right now.

The way their offense shut down without those RB's only adds to notion that Terry Bradshaw is the most overrated QB of all-time.
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This one didn't piss me off as bad as this last years. Probably because it means a little more to me now. And the fact that Favre has done the same thing twice.
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This one didn't piss me off as bad as this last years. Probably because it means a little more to me now. And the fact that Favre has done the same thing twice.


98 hurt more. I was too young to understand then that the Vikings are a cursed franchise. Also we were the most talented team in the league that year by a fair margin and I don't think that was the case last year.
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Steve Young's famous run against the Vikings in 1988. If Steve Young doesn't make that run and win the game the 49ers don't make the playoffs and don't go on to win the Super Bowl.

Agreed. If the Vikes win, they take the Central, and get the home field with a 12-4 record. If they go and win the Super Bowl over Cincinnati, they don't trade for Herschel Walker the next year, and the Dallas run in the early-90's doesn't happen unless some other team is stupid enough to give up that much. However, even if someone else would have, Minnesota could have positioned itself to combat Dallas in the draft. They could have gotten Emmitt Smith or Rodney Hampton in the first round in 1990, they could have gotten Favre the next year, and they could have drafted Carl Pickens or Levon Kirkland in the 1992 first round. We may be talking about a Minnesota dynasty instead of Dallas.
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1998 Seahawks, Vinny Testaverde scores a TD with his helmet. Seahawks miss the playoffs, Dennis Erickson gets fired. Mike Holmgren takes over and leads the Seahawks to their only 5 division titles and only Superbowl appearance. That play was also a major factor in getting instant replay reviews back in the NFL.
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I really hate to play "what ifs" because lots of things can change the course of what happened later by simply changing one event.

However, my "what if" is what if Rodney Harrison dislodges the ball from David Tyree. What if the Colts never come back from that 21-6 beat down that was happening in the AFC CG and then the Patriots go on to beat the Bears?

I think Joseph Addai's run up the middle to end the 3rd quarter and Tyree's catch change the landscape of the Hall of Fame quite a bit. Peyton Manning goes from great QB to a guy who can't win the big game. Bill Belichick becomes the only coach to win 5 Super Bowls (as a head coach) and 7 total. Tom Brady's career post season record goes from 14-4 to 17-2. And so on. I know people hate the Patriots, but two plays could have literally ended the "Who is the greatest QB/Coach?" debate. Oh and something about a perfect season...

Then on the other side, I think every Oakland fan has their "Tuck Rule" pictures ready. Quite a few other ones as well.
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This catch by Terrell Owens in the 1998 NFC Wild Card game against the Packers prevented some change and made some other changes.

At the time there was media speculation that if the 49ers had lost that game, Steve Mariucci would be fired and Mike Holmgren would eventually replace him as San Francisco's head coach. But since the 49ers won, Mariucci kept his job for another four years. While on the other side, the Packers lost Holmgren, who went to Seattle and propel them to success. Andy Reid, a Packers assistant at the time, was hired the next day after the loss. Reid has stated that Philadelphia may have not waited much longer to hire someone, and has also mentioned that had Owens not made that catch he would not be the head coach of the Eagles today.

Some also think this game marked the end of the 49ers dynasty. Steve Young was lost the following season and forced to retire. The 49ers struggled through a 4-12 season and lost a good amount of leaders like Tim McDonald, Merton Hanks, and Lee Woodall. Both teams wouldn't make it back to the playoffs for another two seasons, where they met again in an NFC Wild Card game.

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There are probably alot more, but this spiraled so many things into motion afterwards. The demise of the Raiders team, Gruden getting traded, the Pats dynasty, and the fact that they made a rule after this play specifically for it.




I also have to somewhat agree with Ness on "the catch", by TO. The pivitol play there was when Jerry Rice fumbled the ball and they called him down. That changes so many things, not just the outcome of the game. Some people feel TO was born when he caught that TD pass, and whoever won that game was pretty much a lock to win the SB also.
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This catch by Terrell Owens in the 1998 NFC Wild Card game against the Packers prevented some change and made some other changes.

At the time there was media speculation that if the 49ers had lost that game, Steve Mariucci would be fired and Mike Holmgren would eventually replace him as San Francisco's head coach. But since the 49ers won, Mariucci kept his job for another four years. While on the other side, the Packers lost Holmgren, who went to Seattle and propel them to success. Andy Reid, a Packers assistant at the time, was hired the next day after the loss. Reid has stated that Philadelphia may have not waited much longer to hire someone, and has also mentioned that had Owens not made that catch he would not be the head coach of the Eagles today.

Some also think this game marked the end of the 49ers dynasty. Steve Young was lost the following season and forced to retire. The 49ers struggled through a 4-12 season and lost a good amount of leaders like Tim McDonald, Merton Hanks, and Lee Woodall. Both teams wouldn't make it back to the playoffs for another two seasons, where they met again in an NFC Wild Card game.

Actually, the game that marked the end of the "49er Dynasty" may have been the 1995 NFC Divisional Playoff loss to the Packers. The Niners have never been real Super Bowl contenders after that. They did manage to have three more good years in the Young-Rice era, but they never were real threats to win it all. A weak division made them look better than they really were.

Here is an interesting writeup about that game:

http://www.49erhaters.com/gsum/gb.html


Another pivotal play happened in 1980. The Falcons had a 27-24 lead on the Cowboys late in the fourth quarter. On third down, Too Tall Jones goes down the line of scrimmage and almost jumps offsides, but he is able to stay onside and meet the running back in the hole. The Falcons punt, and Dallas goes down to score and win the game 30-27 on a Danny White TD pass to Drew Pearson.

If Too Tall jumps offsides, Atlanta gets a first down, and probably runs the clock out. That would have set up an Atlanta-Philly matchup for the NFC Title in Atlanta. The Falcons probably would have won that game, and it would have set up an exciting Falcons-Raiders Super Bowl. Win or lose, I see that being a close and exciting game. I don't think that the Falcons would have been as uptight as the Eagles were.

As a result, the future of the Falcons would have been a lot different. Without that spirit-breaking loss to Dallas, I see them having better seasons in 1981 and 82, and coach Leeman Bennett probably doesn't get fired for "taking the team to a plateau". I also think that they could have been playoff contenders for the rest of the 80's, butterflying away the Jerry Glanville era of the early-90's.
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Actually, the game that marked the end of the "49er Dynasty" may have been the 1995 NFC Divisional Playoff loss to the Packers. The Niners have never been real Super Bowl contenders after that. They did manage to have three more good years in the Young-Rice era, but they never were real threats to win it all. A weak division made them look better than they really were.

Here is an interesting writeup about that game:

http://www.49erhaters.com/gsum/gb.html
I'm not going to read a link to a website with an obviously negative bias.

And I disagree about your stance with 1995 being the last season that the 49ers were contenders. Especially when they made it back to the NFC Championship in 1997. And had we went to the Super Bowl that day, I think we would have beaten the Broncos seeing as how we beat them soundly only a few weeks earlier. The only team that really had our number is Green Bay. You can't really name anyone else. Except maybe the Panthers, who we never played in the postseason, but they were only really good for one season...1996. And the weak division angle doesn't really make sense...seeing as once you get to the playoffs you still have to beat the good teams, which the 49ers still had to do to win five championships.
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