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Let me say what I said before earlier up to the (NFL) draft," Bradshaw began about Clausen. "I didn't like him in college and I don't like him now. I never did like him. I don't like his delivery. I don't like his motion. I think he's too slow.

"Physically, the way he threw the football, I just didn't like him. (There's) way too much shoulder action. (He's) just another guy as far as I'm concerned."
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i bet he loves tebow and tebow has way worse problems than jimmy
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Bradshaw went senile a long time ago
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Bradshaw also doesn't like Tom Brady. Why does anyone continue to listen to the 1970s Ben Roethlisberger?
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Did Bradshaw just call Clausen a JAG?? Wow.
I never thought Jimmy had a slow release, and if his throwing mechanics are poor, that is, too much upper body motion and not enough drive from his base, that's an easy problem to fix.

It's too early to close the book on Clausen, I still like him as a prospect.
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Bradshaw is the guy everyone refers to when arguing rings vs. stats, as in "Was Terry Bradshaw better than Dan Marino because he has rings?" JC might not work out but I don't care what Bradshaw says.

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i bet he loves tebow and tebow has way worse problems than jimmy
I beg to differ.

Tebow already transformed his throwing motion, footwork, etc. b/c he was desperate to impress scouts in his Pro Day after a substandard sr. yr. He admits he still has a long way to go but I guess Denver drank the hype koolaid & took him way too early.

Clausen is also a work in progress but was considered more NFL-ready, I guess the QB need in Carolina after the Delhomme disaster was greater too.

Bradshaw was right about Clausen, he is too slow, needs a lot of work but is more coachable than Tebow. He's also a better game mgr. & less risky. I think Clausen's performance last season was amplified by the 2 superlative WRs at ND & he looked a lot better than he was. They adjusted to his long passes with their superior ball skills & had freakish RAC yds to pad the passing stats.

If Bradshaw watched any of Tebow's misadventures last yr. & paid attention he would hate him too.
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That's pretty much how I have always felt about Bradshaw as a player, it must have been nice playing with arguably the best defense ever.
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Bradshaw is the guy everyone refers to when arguing rings vs. stats, as in "Was Terry Bradshaw better than Dan Marino because he has rings?" JC might not work out but I don't care what Bradshaw says.

Anyone remember "GIT-YO-SELF-OUTTA HERE"?
Not to digress, but other than Staubach, (with a nod to Tarkenton and Stabler), Bradshaw was the best QB of the 1970s, so I'm not gonna diss him like he was some scrub.
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Bradshaw was right about Clausen, he is too slow, needs a lot of work but is more coachable than Tebow.
More coachable then Tebow? You lost me.
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More coachable then Tebow? You lost me.
Every QB in the last draft is more coachable than Tebow b/c Tebow has some grandiose vision of destiny as a star NFL QB where he's concerned.

IMO he doesn't even remotely accept the idea that he would be better at another position. Didn't McDaniel or some of the Denver FO people say something about how they "drafted him to be a QB," but team reps say literally anything in those sappy PR valentines about their draftees in April b/c they all want everyone to think they have drafted exclusively future superstars.

Of those rookie QBs Tebow is the definition of QB Project, he has the farthest developmental distance to go to be an effective NFL QB.

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Every QB in the last draft is more coachable than Tebow b/c Tebow has some grandiose vision of destiny as a star NFL QB where he's concerned.

IMO he doesn't even remotely accept the idea that he would be better at another position. Didn't McDaniel or some of the Denver FO people say something about how they "drafted him to be a QB," but team reps say literally anything in those sappy PR valentines about their draftees in April b/c they all want everyone to think they have drafted exclusively future superstars.

Of those rookie QBs Tebow is the definition of QB Project, he has the farthest developmental distance to go to be an effective NFL QB.
If he's not rushed, I can still see Tebow being the most successful of the QBs in this draft. His problem is more footwork that actual delivery. It'll take time, and there will be ugly moments, but if he's coached correctly, he'll eventually get it.

The Florida passing game is pretty much an exact copy of McDaniels' scheme. BB and McDaniels hosted Meyer often during the offseason, and the Patriots designed a lot of their passing game around what Meyer was doing out of the spread at Florida. So the offensive transition isn't going to be nearly as hard as everyone thinks it is.

Everyone knocks the UF spread for being gimmicky, but that really only applies to the run portion of the offense. The route combinations and reads really are still the same that you'll see in most offensive attacks. It's certainly much closer to the pro game than anything that Spurrier ran, which is why I never understood the "UF WIDE RECEIVER BUSTZZZZ" argument for Harvin.

I still maintain that if VY can be half-successful at the NFL level, then Tim Tebow can, too.
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Say what you want about McDaniels but he has a pretty good track record when it comes to QB's, Brady,Cassel and Orton all had statistically their best seasons under him.
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Say what you want about McDaniels but he has a pretty good track record when it comes to QB's, Brady,Cassel and Orton all had statistically their best seasons under him.
Which is why drafting a project in the first round was particularly ******** for Denver.

I agree with Bradshaw though. Clausen might be a starting QB in this league, but I don't see him being a good one. Nothing special about him physically, he does have some mechanical issues, and he does seem like a douche.
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The concept that blows my mind is that people never go past Tebow's mechanical issues in evaluation. He may be a smart kid, he may be a good leader, and he may be a hard worker, but in terms of reading defenses, doing cross-field progressions, running a timing-based pass attack, and basically all of the stuff required to be a good NFL quarterback, he's the worst 1st round pick I've ever seen.

Clausen has issues. His mechanical issues may have been exacerbated by his foot injury, causing him to get more shoulder into the throw and knocking off his release point, but he wasn't picture perfect before the foot injury. I don't really see the argument that Clausen will fail because his mechanics are a bit wonky (even with the weird release, he's way better than Quinn was leaving Notre Dame). I would buy that Clausen doesn't have the attitude to succeed in the NFL, but I wouldn't buy that from Bradshaw even if that was what Bradshaw was talking about. He's not a talent evaluator in any sense of the word.
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Apparently alot of teams/scouts/gm's didn't like him considering he had the biggest plummet in NFL draft history. If he was there it would have been 10x worse than Quinn or Rodgers.
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As a Packer fan, I'd say Clausen feels much more like Brian Brohm than Aaron Rodgers when they were initially drafted. I know that isn't the most in depth analysis but I'll buy into:
-Every team, many twice, including many QB desperate teams passed on him
-He didn't win much in college
-He had receivers and a good coach (maybe) but still underperformed
-Really, what kind of separation is there between him and "just another guy"? Average physical tools and average team.

I'm not trying to throw him under the bus for not carrying his team to a championship. Just saying that there was more hype than substance and if he's going to succeed in the NFL he'll need to have a never quit attitude and have things work out his way. Remember he's not a top 10 prospect anymore he's a second round draft pick.
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As a Packer fan, I'd say Clausen feels much more like Brian Brohm than Aaron Rodgers when they were initially drafted. I know that isn't the most in depth analysis but I'll buy into:
-Every team, many twice, including many QB desperate teams passed on him
-He didn't win much in college
-He had receivers and a good coach (maybe) but still underperformed
-Really, what kind of separation is there between him and "just another guy"? Average physical tools and average team.

I'm not trying to throw him under the bus for not carrying his team to a championship. Just saying that there was more hype than substance and if he's going to succeed in the NFL he'll need to have a never quit attitude and have things work out his way. Remember he's not a top 10 prospect anymore he's a second round draft pick.
Funny that a Packers fan would say this, considering that I've always felt Aaron Rodgers is the QB to whom Jimmy Clausen most closely profiles as a pro QB, 'another guy' who came into the league with average physical tools and an average arm.

Again, you're blaming Clausen because ND was non-competitive on the defensive side of the football.

Teams passed on him, but I still think Clausen is far from an 'average prospect', and still don't think there's over a 30+ pick difference between Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen.
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Funny that a Packers fan would say this, considering that I've always felt Aaron Rodgers is the QB to whom Jimmy Clausen most closely profiles as a pro QB, 'another guy' who came into the league with average physical tools and an average arm.

Again, you're blaming Clausen because ND was non-competitive on the defensive side of the football.

Teams passed on him, but I still think Clausen is far from an 'average prospect', and still don't think there's over a 30+ pick difference between Sam Bradford and Jimmy Clausen.
See I agree with you on a lot of points like Clausen would have won more games with a decent defense and there isn't a 30 pick difference between Clausen and Bradford. However I think Bradford had no business going #1 overall and that Clausen would have had to lead a more potent offense that made opponents play from behind and also quarterback comeback wins. 1-2 years ago we found out what a hard worker Aaron Rodgers was and how awesome he was at adapting to the pro game but 3-4 years ago I thought he was facing an uphill, against the odds battle to succeed, and that's how I feel about Clausen.
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Old 07-16-2010, 05:09 PM    (permalink
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Every QB in the last draft is more coachable than Tebow b/c Tebow has some grandiose vision of destiny as a star NFL QB where he's concerned.

IMO he doesn't even remotely accept the idea that he would be better at another position. Didn't McDaniel or some of the Denver FO people say something about how they "drafted him to be a QB," but team reps say literally anything in those sappy PR valentines about their draftees in April b/c they all want everyone to think they have drafted exclusively future superstars.

Of those rookie QBs Tebow is the definition of QB Project, he has the farthest developmental distance to go to be an effective NFL QB.
I would love to know where Tebow said he would be a star QB in the NFL. Once you do let me know. And why would Tebow want to change positions, especially when he is good at this position? Say what you want, abotu his delivery and mechanics, but those things are coachable. But you say he is the least coachable guy right? http://www.palmbeachpost.com/sports/...th-744029.html Apparently his teammates disagree. But then you don't give reasons to why he is uncoachable, besides saying he has a vision (which he never said) and he is a project QB. People are right, haters gonna hate.
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-He had receivers and a good coach (maybe) but still underperformed.
He had one of the greatest seasons ever in a pro-style offense. It's not his fault his defense couldn't muster even a decent year.
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I agree with Bradshaw., esp when Hunter Cantwell wins the back up roll and Clausen is traded for a 4th rounder next year after Tony Pike out plays him on ps type ish
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I'm not saying that I agree with him, but... yeah, Clausen sucks big time, and the Panthers were the worst fit possible for him. Specially when there are 3 QBs better than him on the roster.
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I'm not saying that I agree with him, but... yeah, Clausen sucks big time, and the Panthers were the worst fit possible for him. Specially when there are 3 QBs better than him on the roster.
you seriously think Tony Pike is better than Jimmy Clausen?
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