Broncos, Dumervil reach agreement on extension - Page 2

GB12 · 07-23-2010, 05:45 PM

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My point was more that of the top 3-4 OLB's, other than Ware right now most of them are short and stocky and Doom is only fractions of an inch shorter than other top guys like Harrison and Woodley.

Woodley is 3 inches taller at 6'2". Harrison is the only one that really compares with Dumerville.

Here are the top 15 OLBs in terms of sacks from last year. Dumerville is at least 4 inches shorter than all but two.

Dumerville - 5'11"
Harrison - 6'
Cain - 6'2"
Berry - 6'3"
Wimbley - 6'3"
Orakpo - 6'3"
Porter - 6'3"
Hali - 6'3"
Phillips - 6'3"
Matthews - 6'3"
Ware - 6'4"
Pace - 6'4"
Lawson - 6'5"
Scott - 6'5"
Taylor - 6'6"

Jimmy · 07-23-2010, 10:42 PM

people act like the guy has come out of nowhere and he dosent have a high ceiling. the dude posted 17 sacks his senior year of college too.

Shahin · 07-24-2010, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimmy

people act like the guy has come out of nowhere and he dosent have a high ceiling. the dude posted 17 sacks his senior year of college too.

For some reason i always thought he got 20 sacks his senior year. Makes no difference really, but i always thought he'd be a beast inthe NFL

Timbathia · 07-24-2010, 04:36 AM

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people act like the guy has come out of nowhere and he dosent have a high ceiling. the dude posted 17 sacks his senior year of college too.

Most fans only know numbers. Doom spent a few years on a complete bag-o-**** d-line and stats suffered accordingly. What most fans dont know is that he was the closest Bronco to the QB on almost every passing down that he was in on.

njx9 · 07-24-2010, 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Timbathia

Most fans only know numbers. Doom spent a few years on a complete bag-o-**** d-line and stats suffered accordingly. What most fans dont know is that he was the closest Bronco to the QB on almost every passing down that he was in on.

this is why i love the guy. best motor i've ever seen for a guy who was too small, to slow, and all around not good enough coming out.

Brent · 07-24-2010, 09:26 PM

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this is why i love the guy. best motor i've ever seen for a guy who was too small, to slow, and all around not good enough coming out.

guys with a high motor are hard to not like. everyone, especially me, loves a player who gives it his all on every down.

Razor · 07-25-2010, 04:28 AM

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Most fans only know numbers. Doom spent a few years on a complete bag-o-**** d-line and stats suffered accordingly. What most fans dont know is that he was the closest Bronco to the QB on almost every passing down that he was in on.

this is why i love the guy. best motor i've ever seen for a guy who was too small, to slow, and all around not good enough coming out.

I think everybody loves the way Dumervil plays, but that doesn't change the fact that they overpaid for him. Most people just seem to assume that he'll automatically mature into a complete OLB because "last year was his first in the 3-4 and he can only get better at setting the edge or dropping back into coverage.". Well, there are plenty of examples of players that excelled their first year and then dropped off the face of the earth. Kamerion Wimbley comes to mind. Also, I think that Mike Nolan was a big part of his production last year. I know that Dumervil has been productive his entire career, but just can't see him playing as well as this contract asks him to. But we'll see.. I'll either look like a complete d-bag or a ******* genius in a couple of years.

Timbathia · 07-25-2010, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor

I think everybody loves the way Dumervil plays, but that doesn't change the fact that they overpaid for him. Most people just seem to assume that he'll automatically mature into a complete OLB because "last year was his first in the 3-4 and he can only get better at setting the edge or dropping back into coverage.". Well, there are plenty of examples of players that excelled their first year and then dropped off the face of the earth. Kamerion Wimbley comes to mind. Also, I think that Mike Nolan was a big part of his production last year. I know that Dumervil has been productive his entire career, but just can't see him playing as well as this contract asks him to. But we'll see.. I'll either look like a complete d-bag or a ******* genius in a couple of years.

Doom is the ONLY player on the Broncos def that opposing offensive coordinators have to fear, or alter their game plan for. That used to be Champ, but not anymore. Elite defensive backs or pass-rushers limit what an offense can do, or would like to do. If the Broncos didnt pay him, and he left, this defense would be significantly worse. Buying in a free agent of his caliber costs just as much as resigning him to this contract, and thats if you can convince them to come to Denver. Add to the fact that he is a stand-up guys and someone for the younger players to model themselves on, and I completely disagree that the Broncos overpaid.

Paranoidmoonduck · 07-25-2010, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor

I think everybody loves the way Dumervil plays, but that doesn't change the fact that they overpaid for him. Most people just seem to assume that he'll automatically mature into a complete OLB because "last year was his first in the 3-4 and he can only get better at setting the edge or dropping back into coverage.". Well, there are plenty of examples of players that excelled their first year and then dropped off the face of the earth. Kamerion Wimbley comes to mind. Also, I think that Mike Nolan was a big part of his production last year. I know that Dumervil has been productive his entire career, but just can't see him playing as well as this contract asks him to. But we'll see.. I'll either look like a complete d-bag or a ******* genius in a couple of years.

Eh. Comparing him to Wimbley is weak. First off, Dumervil has been productive even before this switch and that was as a 43 defensive end, a tougher position for him due to his size and second off, Dumervil was many multitudes better than Wimbley was his rookie year (and this is coming from a Raider fan who hopes Wimbley can produce this season).

Mike Nolan was a big part the Broncos' quick assimilation of the 34 defense, but don't credit him for Dumervil. Nolan doesn't have a history of making pass rusher more productive (Lawson peaked at what, 3 sacks under Nolan?) and Dumervil was around the quarterback constantly last season. It's his motor that made those 17 sacks, not some pixie dust from Nolan.

Did Denver overpay? Perhaps, but in a capless year that criticism carries almost no meaning whatsoever. Would not paying him and letting him walk (to get the same amount of money elsewhere) have been a better decision? **** no.

njx9 · 07-25-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor

I think everybody loves the way Dumervil plays, but that doesn't change the fact that they overpaid for him.

did you enjoy knocking that strawman down?

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Most people just seem to assume that he'll automatically mature into a complete OLB because "last year was his first in the 3-4 and he can only get better at setting the edge or dropping back into coverage.".

or hell, i don't know. maybe we think that because we actually watched him play prior to switching to the 3-4.

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Well, there are plenty of examples of players that excelled their first year and then dropped off the face of the earth. Kamerion Wimbley comes to mind.

i agree, and for that reason i expect several vehement posts about chris johnson's extension.

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Also, I think that Mike Nolan was a big part of his production last year.

pmd pretty clearly covered this already.

essentially your reasoning boils down to: he's like, totally overpaid because i only looked at last season's stat line and didn't even know who he was prior to that, therefore he can't possibly be any good down the line because he's not demarcus ware.

flawless interpretation of the evidence, but then, i expect yet another reply wherein you again say nothing of value because how can you when you don't actually know what you're talking about.

Paranoidmoonduck · 07-25-2010, 07:28 PM

That doesn't even address the fact that you couldn't call Shawne Merriman (when he was dominant), Lamarr Woodley, or even Demarcus Ware "complete" linebackers in all honestly.

Dumervil is a dominant edge rusher and that's all he will ever really be asked to do.

njx9 · 07-25-2010, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Paranoidmoonduck

That doesn't even address the fact that you couldn't call Shawne Merriman (when he was dominant), Lamarr Woodley, or even Demarcus Ware "complete" linebackers in all honestly.

Dumervil is a dominant edge rusher and that's all he will ever really be asked to do.

i meant to hit on that. who the **** cares if he can't cover a tight end? if that's EVER his job for more than a bare handful of plays a season, the DC should be summarily executed.

Splat · 07-25-2010, 09:23 PM

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Dumervil is a dominant edge rusher and that's all he will ever really be asked to do.

Agreed.

Why ask him to do anything else when he is such a great pass rusher?

It worked for the Chiefs and DT.

Razor · 07-26-2010, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by njx9

essentially your reasoning boils down to: he's like, totally overpaid because i only looked at last season's stat line and didn't even know who he was prior to that, therefore he can't possibly be any good down the line because he's not demarcus ware.

flawless interpretation of the evidence, but then, i expect yet another reply wherein you again say nothing of value because how can you when you don't actually know what you're talking about.

So essentially your reasoning boils down to: I'm sure you just looked at his stats from last year and furthermore I assume you've never seen the guy play. Classic stuff right there..

njx9 · 07-26-2010, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Razor

So essentially your reasoning boils down to: I'm sure you just looked at his stats from last year and furthermore I assume you've never seen the guy play. Classic stuff right there..

no, i'm pretty sure my reasoning boils down to: i've seen the guy play and he's been fantastic in the roles he's been asked to fulfill. therefore, i don't see this as an outrageous contract. it's weird how i keep coming back to the fact that you've never seen him play and are thus completely unqualified to even offer an opinion on the contract, moreso when nearly everyone who HAS seen him play thinks it was a solid deal for denver.