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Old 07-28-2010, 02:13 PM    (permalink
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Am I alone in failing to understand what makes Schaub a top 5 QB like everyone on here seems to believe? I see people talk about how he's clearly better than guys like Eli and Romo and to me that seems ridiculous. Someone please explain to me how he's not the most over-rated QB in the NFL because I see a very nice starter but not someone clearly superior to your Flacco's and Ryan's much less you Eli's and Romo's.
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Where is your evidence for what you said in your first two statements? I've never really seen people around here talk about Matt Schaub in the light you're insinuating. Regardless, he's put up production compared to the likes of Eli Manning and Tony Romo. He's only had one good season, but it did prove that he has the ability to be an elite quarterback in the NFL.
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I don't think he's Top 5 by any means. Lower end of Top 10 (which is still good.) He's working in a favorable system with the best receiver in football. At this point though I'd say he's absolutely superior to your Flacco's and Ryan's.
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Am I alone in failing to understand what makes Schaub a top 5 QB like everyone on here seems to believe? I see people talk about how he's clearly better than guys like Eli and Romo and to me that seems ridiculous.
Well he isn't a Top 5 Quarterback. You have Manning, Brees, Brady, Rivers and Rodgers who are all probably better than him, in my opinion. I would be of the opinion that Schaub is better than Romo and sure as hell better than Eli.

If you are wondering why people seem to think he's that good then it could have something to do with him leading the league in passing last year.
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Nobody really considers him a Top 5 QB.

Everybody's top 5 is something like this (or if it isn't it should be )

Manning
Brady
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Schaub is never really considered to be in that group. Though he is certainly right there on the same level as Romo and Eli and at this point is superior to Flacco and Ryan.
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Schaub top 5? Thats a joke.
Manning, Brady, Brees, Rivers, Rodgers are a clear top 5 in my mind. Plus throw Favre into the mix. Id take Eli, Ben, Romo, and Ryan probably over him too. Maybe others.
Schaub is a product of statistics and fantasy fans who know nothing about real football.
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Id take Eli, Ben, Romo, and Ryan probably over him too. Maybe others.
Personally I wouldn't take any of those Quarterbacks over him. I think Ben Roethlisberger is a very good Quarterback, but vastly overated as well. In the same vein as Eli Manning. Because they won Superbowls with really good defences does not make them outstanding Quarterbacks. Eli is a decent starter with nothing special about him. Matty Ice has had one good season followed by one not so good season. Romo is consistently inconsistent.
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Personally I wouldn't take any of those Quarterbacks over him. I think Ben Roethlisberger is a very good Quarterback, but vastly overated as well. In the same vein as Eli Manning. Because they won a Superbowls with really good defences does not make them outstanding Quarterbacks. Eli is a decent starter with nothing special about him. Matty Ice has had one good season followed by one not so good season. Romo is consistently inconsistent.
Typical argument by a Colts/Manning fan. Suffice to say, I'm not surprised. ;)

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Schaub has a strong arm and is accurate.

Of course having AJ help him.

He is a fantasy football STUD(Not really relevant, yes I know.)

He needs to stay healthy of course.

When Schaub is healthy though, I like him as a top 10 NFL QB.

I'd take Schaub over Eli.

Schaub or Romo would be interesting, I'll say that.
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For me he is somewhere in the 10 11 range.. You take away Andre from Schaub, hes ******. When Plex got locked up Eli still put up nice numbers and such with a bunch of guys. Schaub is definetely on the better side of quarterbacks but he is slightly overrated imo.
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I'm sorry, but Schaub in Houston is 19-19 as a starter. Say all you want about "supporting cast" and "tough AFC South" but Romo is 38-17 and Eli is 50-37 and has a ring. How can you possibly put him above those two?
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Having the best WR in the game is what makes him good. The Texans finally had a decent OL that kept him off of the ground. A lot of it is the fantasy numbers because Houston has a horrible running game so the team passes the ball a lot. He also has Owen Daniels as well as AJ.
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I'm sorry, but Schaub in Houston is 19-19 as a starter. Say all you want about "supporting cast" and "tough AFC South" but Romo is 38-17 and Eli is 50-37 and has a ring. How can you possibly put him above those two?
I would take the Giants Oline over the Texans any day of the week.

Whats up Gribble? Maybe NMSU will win a game this year.
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And their run game and their defence. Basically, what I am saying, is that the only thing the Texans do better than the Giants is pass the ball.
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The Giants still have a better Oline than the Texans.

Whats up Gribble? Maybe NMSU will win a game this year.
Well we finally beat UNM and get them at home this year. We're even not picked to finish last in the WAC, SJSU is. 2 wins!
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I'm sorry, but Schaub in Houston is 19-19 as a starter. Say all you want about "supporting cast" and "tough AFC South" but Romo is 38-17 and Eli is 50-37 and has a ring. How can you possibly put him above those two?
W-L is very decieving for quarterbacks and pitchers alike. Maybe the defense wasn't there.

Put Eli's winning percentage next to Aaron Rodgers for instance, is Eli better soley because of the record?
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Am I alone in failing to understand what makes Schaub a top 5 QB like everyone on here seems to believe? I see people talk about how he's clearly better than guys like Eli and Romo and to me that seems ridiculous. Someone please explain to me how he's not the most over-rated QB in the NFL because I see a very nice starter but not someone clearly superior to your Flacco's and Ryan's much less you Eli's and Romo's.
My rankings in the other thread were for AFTER this season is played. I put him over Eli and Romo because I was choosing who I wanted going forward. I wasn't ranking previous accomplishments.

For all the people saying he is only good because of Andre Johnson what do you want him to do? Not throw it to him? How is that even relevant. Manning had Harrison, Wayne, Clark. Just because a QB has an All Pro WR you can't hold it against him. Tom Brady should try playing with scrubs and see what numbers he puts up, OH WAIT THEY TRIED THAT AND IT FAILED. The next year they got Welker, Moss and look what happened.
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i agree, supporting cast is irrelevant. it's quite clear that romo and manning won all of those games entirely by themselves, playing offense and defense, and that schaub lost all of those games completely by himself.
I just don't think Schaub can be considered an elite guy or even on the cusp of being there until his team actually makes the playoffs and is better than a .500 quarterback in the regular season. I really think saying one QB whose team hasn't been to the playoffs and has posted a 19-19 record is better than one who has been to the playoffs 3 times and is 38-17 is a stretch. Supporting cast isn't irrelevant but does it make up for that much of a difference?
Anyway this will just end up in hypotheticals and team switching... ugh.
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Schaub is the newest king of garbage time statistics.
That is a nice statement to throw around but can you actually back it up? Because there is a big difference in putting up good numbers for a bad/mediocre team and racking up stats in garbage time.
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Schaub has a strong arm and is accurate.

Of course having AJ help him.

He is a fantasy football STUD(Not really relevant, yes I know.)


He needs to stay healthy of course.

When Schaub is healthy though, I like him as a top 10 NFL QB.

I'd take Schaub over Eli.

Schaub or Romo would be interesting, I'll say that.
No, that is everything.
He is a top 5(ish) Fantasy QB.
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Holy ****,

1. There are few people in this thread arguing for Schaub.

2. None of them are using the fantasy stats as a reason for his ranking.

3. How the **** do you think QBs get points in fantasy football?

4. Eli Manning was living off his defensive line.

5. I've seen Romo make enough bonehead throws to not trust him.

6. Schaub-Romo-Manning are probably pretty equally ranked in the grand scheme of things and Schaub is my personal preference.

7. Not everyone slurp a derps the NFC East.
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