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Yes, I'd love to see them play more then 1 or 2 ranked teams a year before they get handed a shot at the National championship. I know I'd love to see Ohio State get to play for the national title by simply beating an overrated Virginia Tech team and Oregon State.

Again, I'm not saying Boise isn't a talented and great team. Just that their schedule doesn't warrant a bid to a national title.
If only they would have played Florida or Cincinatti in a bowl game last year. Typical to see a team being called overrated now. They have 2 of the best backs in the country and normally a solid defense with a great coach. Like it or not any team they have put in front of them they have beaten. 15 game win streaks just don't happen regardless of who you are playing.
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No, they're overrated because I don't think they're a top 10 team, even before this game. I thought they'd lose worse then this actually.
VT without a defense and a run game....they're even worse than I expected. Tyrod looked good but that's because Boise State is too slow to keep up with his scrambling and they can't defend the pass.
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No, they're overrated because I don't think they're a top 10 team, even before this game.
I have a hard time naming 10 better teams in the country than this Virginia Tech team. Tyrod has actually developed, they have 2 1000+ yard rushers, an experienced WR Core and a real solid defense with some freaks rushing the passer. Throw in a solid O-Line. Teams better than them right now are Boise, Alabama, Miami, Ohio State, Texas, and maybe Florida. Other than that it would be a game with any other team at least.
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If only they would have played Florida or Cincinatti in a bowl game last year. Typical to see a team being called overrated now. They have 2 of the best backs in the country and normally a solid defense with a great coach. Like it or not any team they have put in front of them they have beaten. 15 game win streaks just don't happen regardless of who you are playing.
How about no?

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Judging from most of the posters here they won't.
It's ridiculous. Like I've said before, don't knock the Broncos. Knock the Alabamas, the Floridas, the Ohio States who don't have the balls to play them. You can't prove yourself against elite competition when those teams are afraid to play you. If Boise is "overrated" or "a joke" then they should be every team with National Championship aspiration's dream opponent. If Alabama would mop the floor with them, the why don't they schedule them so they can can get an easy win against a top ten team? It's not like they can just get up and join the SEC either. Their only chance to prove themselves is in non-conference games, and they've continually done that.

Chris Peterson is 49-4 as coach of Boise. He has five wins against ranked opponents in seven tries. Oklahoma was supposed to be a fluke. Then after a down year they go into Autzen the following season and take out the Ducks. That was just "luck." Then last year Oregon comes to Boise with revenge on their minds and the Broncos trample them. After that, Oregon was just overrated. The comes the BCS bowl. TCU was the "far superior" mid-major in everyone's opinion and Boise beat them too. Suddenly, TCU was considered not a real test. Now, like I said, Boise State traveled 2500 miles across the country and beat a top ten Virginia Tech team in a stadium made up completely of Hokie fans. The game wasn't even over when people were already pulling more excuses out of their asses. Fact is team after team has had their opportunity to shut Boise up and to squash any National Championship talk and they have all failed.

Look at what they did to Ryan Williams. He averaged 127 yards per game and 5.6 yards per carry last year. He was also very high on everyone's preseason Heisman lists. He could only manage 44 yards and 2.1 yards per carry against Boise and a third of those yards came on one carry.
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They're sure a hell of alot easier when they include teams like Toledo, Nevada, and San Jose St.

I honestly think a 2 loss team in the SEC, Big Ten, ACC, or Big 12 this year is more impressive than Boise going undefeated.

Again, thats not saying Boise isn't good or couldn't do it. Just saying they won't because their schedule won't allow it. Their schedule isn't strong enough to earn a national title bid because the rest of the nation's schedules are significantly stronger.

This should end when they have TCU in conference, and hopefully still continue to schedule some strong OOC games.
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It's ridiculous. Like I've said before, don't knock the Broncos. Knock the Alabamas, the Floridas, the Ohio States who don't have the balls to play them. You can't prove yourself against elite competition when those teams are afraid to play you. If Boise is "overrated" or "a joke" then they should be every team with National Championship aspiration's dream opponent. If Alabama would mop the floor with them, the why don't they schedule them so they can can get an easy win against a top ten team? It's not like they can just get up and join the SEC either. Their only chance to prove themselves is in non-conference games, and they've continually done that.

Chris Peterson is 49-4 as coach of Boise. He has five wins against ranked opponents in seven tries. Oklahoma was supposed to be a fluke. Then after a down year they go into Autzen the following season and take out the Ducks. That was just "luck." Then last year Oregon comes to Boise with revenge on their minds and the Broncos trample them. After that, Oregon was just overrated. The comes the BCS bowl. TCU was the "far superior" mid-major in everyone's opinion and Boise beat them too. Suddenly, TCU was considered not a real test. Now, like I said, Boise State traveled 2500 miles across the country and beat a top ten Virginia Tech team in a stadium made up completely of Hokie fans. The game wasn't even over when people were already pulling more excuses out of their asses. Fact is team after team has had their opportunity to shut Boise up and to squash any National Championship talk and they have all failed.

Look at what they did to Ryan Williams. He averaged 127 yards per game and 5.6 yards per carry last year. He was also very high on everyone's preseason Heisman lists. He could only manage 44 yards and 2.1 yards per carry against Boise and a third of those yards came on one carry.
this. thank you. They did the same thing to Oregon last year and they went on to destroy teams with their run game that got stuffed by Boise. Time will tell all that needs to be said.
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It's ridiculous. Like I've said before, don't knock the Broncos. Knock the Alabamas, the Floridas, the Ohio States who don't have the balls to play them. You can't prove yourself against elite competition when those teams are afraid to play you. If Boise is "overrated" or "a joke" then they should be every team with National Championship aspiration's dream opponent. If Alabama would mop the floor with them, the why don't they schedule them so they can can get an easy win against a top ten team? It's not like they can just get up and join the SEC either. Their only chance to prove themselves is in non-conference games, and they've continually done that.

Chris Peterson is 49-4 as coach of Boise. He has five wins against ranked opponents in seven tries. Oklahoma was supposed to be a fluke. Then after a down year they go into Autzen the following season and take out the Ducks. That was just "luck." Then last year Oregon comes to Boise with revenge on their minds and the Broncos trample them. After that, Oregon was just overrated. The comes the BCS bowl. TCU was the "far superior" mid-major in everyone's opinion and Boise beat them too. Suddenly, TCU was considered not a real test. Now, like I said, Boise State traveled 2500 miles across the country and beat a top ten Virginia Tech team in a stadium made up completely of Hokie fans. The game wasn't even over when people were already pulling more excuses out of their asses. Fact is team after team has had their opportunity to shut Boise up and to squash any National Championship talk and they have all failed.

Look at what they did to Ryan Williams. He averaged 127 yards per game and 5.6 yards per carry last year. He was also very high on everyone's preseason Heisman lists. He could only manage 44 yards and 2.1 yards per carry against Boise and a third of those yards came on one carry.
Most of the people against Boise arn't arguing that they arn't good or that they are overrated. We all just think they shouldn't be handed the national championship bid on a silver platter, only having to beat 2 ranked teams.

Boise needs to find a way to get a stronger schedule in order to impress me. Joining the MWC is a nice move, but with BYU and Utah leaving it is still weak. They'll play TCU and hopefully still continue to schedule strong OOC games. Hell maybe moving to the MWC will help them schedule elite programs. But until they do, I can't justify giving them a National championship bid over teams, even with 1 or 2 losses, that went through significantly harder schedules.

A playoff would solve all these problems of course.
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Awesome game tonight. Way to go Boise ! Never give up, never back down and always put up a figbht down to the wire. Hell with all the peoplle who hate, prove them wrong by getting to the title game. Moore for Hesimen this year!
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They're sure a hell of alot easier when they include teams like Toledo, Nevada, and San Jose St.

I honestly think a 2 loss team in the SEC, Big Ten, ACC, or Big 12 this year is more impressive than Boise going undefeated.

Again, thats not saying Boise isn't good or couldn't do it. Just saying they won't because their schedule won't allow it. Their schedule isn't strong enough to earn a national title bid because the rest of the nation's schedules are significantly stronger.

This should end when they have TCU in conference, and hopefully still continue to schedule some strong OOC games.
The defense Boise State has for their schedule is this: They have been trying for years to get into a stronger conference. It's no secret that they have desired to join the Mountain West for years but they had to wait for an invitation to join just like any team is. They have long been the top team in the WAC by a long shot and they do try and schedule quality out of conference opponents. I applaud Virginia Tech for scheduling them but because the Hokies were their only competition they will get raked over the coals for not playing anyone else.

That will change next year when the join the MWC but even then it will be a Mountain West without two of the top three teams since Utah and BYU are bolting for greener pastures. At least they will play TCU and a usually competitive Air Force team along with Nevada and Fresno State each year which makes their schedule a little more difficult.
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They're sure a hell of alot easier when they include teams like Toledo, Nevada, and San Jose St.

I honestly think a 2 loss team in the SEC, Big Ten, ACC, or Big 12 this year is more impressive than Boise going undefeated.

Again, thats not saying Boise isn't good or couldn't do it. Just saying they won't because their schedule won't allow it. Their schedule isn't strong enough to earn a national title bid because the rest of the nation's schedules are significantly stronger.

This should end when they have TCU in conference, and hopefully still continue to schedule some strong OOC games.
Florida sure looked strong needing the 4th quarter to put away Miami of Ohio, Texas against Rice, or Oklahoma against Utah State. They all played way down to their competition and should not be considered above boise.
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hopefully still continue to schedule some strong OOC games.
google is your friend. there was a point where Boise said. "We will play anyone, any where. No strings attached, you don't have to come back to play next year at Boise. only VT took them up on this and my friend, who is a huge VT fan, was absolutely pissed. He knew that it was a lose-lose for both teams no matter what.
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Again, I'm not saying Boise isn't a talented and great team. Just that their schedule doesn't warrant a bid to a national title.
How do you propose the we fix that? You going to force a BCS conference to take them? They put out an open invitation to come play any team in country in their stadium and none of the elite title contenders would man up and play them. They want more than anyone else to prove themselves against a tougher schedule, but that isn't under their control.
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Florida sure looked strong needing the 4th quarter to put away Miami of Ohio, Texas against Rice, or Oklahoma against Utah State. They all played way down to their competition and should not be considered above boise.
And are any of them ranked about Boise? Have I said Boise is a worse team then any of them? No. Just that their schedule doesn't earn a National Championship bid.

I think Boise is pretty clearly the #3 team in the nation right now. I think they could play in the Big conferences, but the don't. And until they do, or find a way to get a stronger schedule, I don't think they've earned a National title show over teams that play many stronger opponents.
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Florida sure looked strong needing the 4th quarter to put away Miami of Ohio, Texas against Rice, or Oklahoma against Utah State. They all played way down to their competition and should not be considered above boise.
The differnece between UF, UT and OU is that those teams have gone undefeated or posted 1-loss seasons playing against consistently tough opposition week in and week out. No 1 victory makes a team worthy of garnering high praise. Football is all about showing up every week and beating tough teams. That's why the SEC is such a tough conference and that's why there's so much parity in the NFL. It's a lot harder to win 10 tough games than 1 really tough game, although technically Boise State doesn't play any really tough games because VT will finish no better than 3rd in the ACCC.
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How do you propose the we fix that? You going to force a BCS conference to take them? They put out an open invitation to come play any team in country in their stadium and none of the elite title contenders would man up and play them. They want more than anyone else to prove themselves against a tougher schedule, but that isn't under their control.
My solution is, and has always been, a playoff. No need to earn a title bid, just earn a playoff spot, and Boise has certainly done that over the years.

Moving to the MWC is a great move. They get a marquee game against TCU and it will hopefully help elite programs schedule them.
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Fans who think big time teams should travel to Boise don't know what they're talking about. You're never going to see a Texas or Alabama travel to Idaho to play in a 33,000 seat stadium. A stadium that Boise State only sold out twice last season...

And people who think Boise State deserves a shot over a 1 loss BCS conference team don't want to talk about Boise's conference schedule. Boise State has no idea what it's like to travel multiple times a year to hostile stadiums holding 80,000+ fans. Road games at New Mexico and San Jose State are nothing like going on the road to play an LSU or Florida. Beating good teams once or twice a year is great, but Boise just doesn't face the grind major conference schools do.

Too bad the Chokies couldn't put an end to the Boise State talk. What's funny is the media trying to act like the stadium was all VT fans when you could clearly see a large number of Boise State fans.
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google is your friend. there was a point where Boise said. "We will play anyone, any where. No strings attached, you don't have to come back to play next year at Boise. only VT took them up on this and my friend, who is a huge VT fan, was absolutely pissed. He knew that it was a lose-lose for both teams no matter what.
Did I say they didn't? That post says hopefully they still schedule strong OOC, meaning I think they have a strong OOC schedule. Its their conference play that makes their schedule weak.
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I know right...can you imagine if we had Boise State's schedule? Beat VT and Oregon State and then cruise to a BCS bowl at the very least. It's like a vacation.

Try beating OSU, Pitt, USF, UNC, VT, GT, FSU, Clemson....plus throw in a decent trap game like UVA on the road. Good luck.

How do people even consider taking a team seriously because they beat 1 overrated team and might beat 1 mediocre team and a slew of garbage teams?

P-L you're defending Boise State but your Wolverines could probably beat them. If they can't defend Tyrod how can they defend Denard? Plus Richrod actually is smart enough to use his assets on offense, unlike Stinespring the WOAT OC in CFB history.
Meh...you could make the same argument about Miami and FSU before the ACC gobbled up the top Big East talent. Both of those conferences were pretty bad in their own right.
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Awesome game tonight. Way to go Boise ! Never give up, never back down and always put up a figbht down to the wire. Hell with all the peoplle who hate, prove them wrong by getting to the title game. Moore for Hesimen this year!
I don't think them getting to the title game is proving anyone wrong.
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I don't think them getting to the title game is proving anyone wrong.
Nope, esspecially when our argument is that they are getting the title game handed to them.

Certainly getting to a game that I think is getting handed to you isn't proving me wrong at all.

They're #3 in the nation. Time to drop the disrespect card.
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google is your friend. there was a point where Boise said. "We will play anyone, any where. No strings attached, you don't have to come back to play next year at Boise. only VT took them up on this and my friend, who is a huge VT fan, was absolutely pissed. He knew that it was a lose-lose for both teams no matter what.
And this was only a lose-lose for VT.

Its a win-win for Boise. If they lose, they lost @ a top 10 team. If they win its enough to get them into a national championship.
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